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Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?
From: Adrian Chadd <adrian () creative net au>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:38:50 +0800
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
I believe this is functionally equivalent to the "block 25 and consider SMTP dead" FUSSP. It's worth noting that each "newer" system is being systematically attacked as well. It isn't really a solution, it's just changing problem platforms. The abuse remains.
Yes, but the ownership of the problem is better defined for messages -inside- a system. If you've got tens of millions of users on your IM service, you can start using statistical techniques on your data to identify likely spam/ham, and (very importantly) you are able to cut individual users off if they're doing something nasty. Users can't "fake" their identity like they can with email. There's no requirement for "broadcasting" messages a la email lists (which btw is touted as one of those "things that break" when various anti-spam verify-sender proposals come up.) Besides - google has a large enough cross section of users' email to do these tricks. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at google for just this reason .. Adrian
Current thread:
- RE: Problems sending mail to yahoo?, (continued)
- RE: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Raymond L. Corbin (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Suresh Ramasubramanian (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Joe Greco (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Barry Shein (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Joe Greco (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Barry Shein (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Steve Atkins (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Joe Greco (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Adrian Chadd (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Joe Greco (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Adrian Chadd (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Joe Greco (Apr 13)
- trust networks (Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?) Edward B. DREGER (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Simon Lyall (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Edward B. DREGER (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Adrian Chadd (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Rich Kulawiec (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Greg Skinner (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Randy Bush (Apr 13)
- Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo? Kevin Day (Apr 13)
- RE: Problems sending mail to yahoo? michael.dillon (Apr 14)