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Re: an over-the-top data center
From: Paul Cosgrove <paul.cosgrove () heanet ie>
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:18:56 +0000
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Deepak Jain wrote:3) No one cares if the server farm is blast proof (it isn't), if the connectivity in/out of it gets blasted (submessage: silos were meant to deliver one thing, datacenters aren't in the same operational model once they need connectivity to the outside world)It's much easier to restore fiber connectivity in a time of crisis than it is to source hardware manufacturered at the other end of the world and have this set up properly. I do think there is value in keeping the hw safer than the connectivity to the outside.I bet the military or emergency services can establish a 10km fiber stretch in a few hours. Replacing some telecom hw and set it up from scratch would probably take weeks (I'm not talking about a single router here).
Hi Mikael,The speed with which fibre can be pulled will very much depend on the available paths and other resources. It may be that the previous path of the damaged fibre may now be blocked or otherwise unavailable such that construction work is required.
As you say it is likely to be more difficult to recover from a problem at a datacentre due to the greater potential for damage and diversity of resources required. The point has already been made that not all customers may be able to avail of site resilience due to the associated cost, and so may be reliant on the one datacentre. In addition one thing which I do not think has been mentioned is that damage to a building may make the site unsafe and possibly injure staff; perhaps causing planning, coordination and implementation of site recovery to be considerably more complicated than simply replacing equipment.
Most customers would not be willing to pay extra to get hardened datacentres, so despite the complexities of recovery Deepak is largely right when he said that no one cares about blast proof server farms, at least in the peaceful parts of the world.
Paul.
Current thread:
- Re: an over-the-top data center, (continued)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Ian Mason (Dec 02)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Lamar Owen (Dec 01)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Steven M. Bellovin (Dec 01)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Martin List-Petersen (Dec 01)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Jim Popovitch (Dec 01)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Lamar Owen (Dec 01)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Dec 01)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Jean-François Mezei (Dec 01)
- RE: an over-the-top data center Deepak Jain (Dec 01)
- RE: an over-the-top data center Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 01)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Paul Cosgrove (Dec 02)
- RE: an over-the-top data center Deepak Jain (Dec 02)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Charles Wyble (Dec 02)
- RE: an over-the-top data center Deepak Jain (Dec 02)
- RE: an over-the-top data center Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 01)
- RE: an over-the-top data center Jeremy Jackson (Dec 02)
- Re: an over-the-top data center The Anarcat (Dec 02)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Jay Hennigan (Dec 02)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Brian Raaen (Dec 02)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Marshall Eubanks (Dec 02)
- Re: an over-the-top data center Jeff Shultz (Dec 02)