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Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)
From: John Curran <jcurran () mail com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:43:10 -0400
At 4:17 PM +0000 6/22/08, Paul Vixie wrote:
with EC2, it's game-over for the IP reputation industry, other than possibly lists of dynamic IP blocks (modems, DSL, etc) from which SMTP ought not come. but for the wider IP address space, we now return to content based filtering, and i predict a mighty increase in the number of pink contracts in colo rooms. (the silver lining is, this could reduce pressure on BGP piracy/injection.) as randy bush often says, "it's just business." amazon has solid business reasons for creating EC2 and there's no way it could be profitable if they can't scale the user base, and there's no way to scale the user base if they have to police it at the application or "intent" level. so, i'm not whining, just pointing out that this is a sea change, the end of an era.
I agree that it's going to be difficult to deal with this on an IP reputation basis (at least using IPv4 :-), but not certain that means that a total lack of policing will stand long-term. The litmus test will likely be subsequent to the first large scale P2P service appearing in the EC2 cloud and distributing quantities of copyright material... /John
Current thread:
- Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs Paul Kelly :: Blacknight (Jun 22)
- Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jun 22)
- Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs Jon Lewis (Jun 22)
- EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Paul Vixie (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) John Curran (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Andy Davidson (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Paul Vixie (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Al Iverson (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Steven Champeon (Jun 23)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 23)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Paul Vixie (Jun 23)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Ken Simpson (Jun 24)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Deepak Jain (Jun 24)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 24)
- EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Paul Vixie (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) William Herrin (Jun 23)