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Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re:
From: Ken Simpson <ksimpson () mailchannels com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:06:26 -0700
One could argue that the "botnets for rent" business model is in more widespread use than either EC2 or gridserver... I'm unclear whether that statement needs a smiley or not...i'd say that since EC2 won't be shut down when it's found out about, thatyou need a smiley. "widespread use" is too narrow a term. none of us expects white-hat e-commerce business to move into rented botnets, andrented botnets aren't all going to be in the same address space or ASN.
IMHO, Amazon will eventually be forced to bifurcate their EC2 IP space into a section that is for "newbies" and a section for established customers. The newbie space will be widely black-listed, but will also have a lower rate of abuse complaint enforcement.
The only scalable way to deal with a system like EC2 is to provide clear demarcations of where the crap is likely to originate from.
Regards, Ken -- Ken Simpson CEO MailChannels - Reliable Email Delivery http://mailchannels.com 604 685 7488 tel
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- Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs, (continued)
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- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Paul Vixie (Jun 23)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Ken Simpson (Jun 24)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Deepak Jain (Jun 24)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 24)
- EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Paul Vixie (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) William Herrin (Jun 23)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 23)
- RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re:Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Tomas L. Byrnes (Jun 23)
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- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Jim Popovitch (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Randy Bush (Jun 22)
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