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Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:38:51 -0500 (CDT)
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Joe Greco wrote:For example, I *ought* to be able to find the Police Department for the City of Milwaukee at something reasonable, such as "police.ci.milwaukee.wi.us". If I then needed the police for Wauwatosa, "police.ci.wauwatosa.wi.us", or for Waukesha, "police.ci.waukesha.wi.us". To extend that principle, companies that have an exclusively local presence probably don't need to be occupying space in a TLD. That's the Marty's Pizza example.martyspizza.brookfield.wi.us works great. At what point in Marty's expansion does Marty's Pizza get to move to a TLD? The RFC leaves management decisions to an alluded to but unnamed group.
That doesn't need to be a "management decision" by some third party group. That *could* be something we would have guided people through, in the same way that 1480 provides other guidance. I see usefulness in having scopes that are local (city/village/etc), state, country, and global. There's no reason that you couldn't start out local, and as you grew, get a state level domain (martyspizza.wi.us), and if you went national (martyspizza.us), etc. In many (most!) cases, businesses do not make significant growth in a rapid fashion.
Plus, WTF: John-Muir.Middle.Santa-Monica.K12.CA.US Cut and Paste or die trying. I doubt parents will remember or type that.
Actually, that has to do with what I was talking about in continuing to develop a reasonable system. Quite frankly, if I was in that school district, I see no reason why my computer couldn't be aware of that domain, and actually have "http://john-muir" or some similar mechanism actually work. The ideal is probably more complex in implementation, but does not need to be more complex in use.
Besides, sophisticated search engines are making Domain Names less relevant anyway. I can find Marty's Pizza in Brookfield via Google or Yahoo in a matter of seconds. Let the search engines organize the web, not DNS. Schools are going short and sweet, just like businesses, using the existing TLDs. martyspizza.net is fine. So is johnmuirsl.org. No need for 30 more or 3000 more TLDs.
I would agree that we don't need more TLD's. But the namespace, as it exists, is messy, and it's nasty to expect that people will always have to use a browser and a search engine to find their destination's domain name. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Current thread:
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs), (continued)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs) Rich Kulawiec (Jun 28)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of Joe Greco (Jun 28)
- RE: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of David Schwartz (Jun 28)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Joe Greco (Jun 28)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Peter Beckman (Jun 29)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Jim Popovitch (Jun 29)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Gadi Evron (Jun 29)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Paul Wall (Jun 30)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Jun 30)
- RE: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of David Schwartz (Jun 28)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Peter Beckman (Jun 29)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox Joe Greco (Jun 30)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox Peter Beckman (Jun 30)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox Eric Brunner-Williams (Jun 30)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox Joe Greco (Jun 30)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Jay R. Ashworth (Jun 30)
- Re: what problem are we solving? (was Re: ICANN opens up Pandora'sBox of Joe Abley (Jun 29)
- DNS and potential energy bmanning (Jun 29)
- Re: DNS and potential energy Rob Pickering (Jun 30)
- Re: DNS and potential energy James Hess (Jun 30)
- Re: DNS and potential energy Tony Finch (Jun 30)
- RE: DNS and potential energy Martin Hannigan (Jun 30)