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Re: amazonaws.com?
From: Barry Shein <bzs () world std com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:08:56 -0400
On May 28, 2008 at 21:43 beckman () angryox com (Peter Beckman) wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Dorn Hetzel wrote:I would think that simply requiring some appropriate amount of irrevocable funds (wire transfer, etc) for a deposit that will be forfeited in the case of usage in violation of AUP/contract/etc would be both sufficient and not excessive for allowing port 25 access, etc.Until you find out that the source of those supposedly irrevocable funds was stolen or fraudulent, and you have some sort of court subpoena to give it back. I don't believe there is a way for you to outwit the scammer/spammer by making them pay more of their or someone elses money. If you have what they need, they'll find a way to trick you into giving it to them.
Are you still trying to prove that Amazon, Dell, The World, etc can't possibly work? By your reasoning why don't the spammers just empty out Amazon's (et al) warehouses and retire! Oh right, they'd have to sell it all over the internet which'd mean taking credit cards... I'm still curious what a typical $ sale is on one of these cloud compute clusters, in orders of magnitude, $1, $10, $100, $1000, ...? P.S. For the record I'm not a great fan of blocking port 25 as someone mis-cited me here, I don't really care strongly either way, it's a tool. I am a big, big fan of assessing charges for AUP abuse and making some realistic attempt to try to make sure it's collectible, and otherwise make some attempt to know who you're doing business with. -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Login: Nationwide Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
Current thread:
- RE: amazonaws.com?, (continued)
- RE: amazonaws.com? michael.dillon (May 27)
- RE: amazonaws.com? Tony Finch (May 28)
- RE: amazonaws.com? michael.dillon (May 28)
- RE: amazonaws.com? Tony Finch (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Sargun Dhillon (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Steve Atkins (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Sargun Dhillon (May 28)
- RE: amazonaws.com? Skywing (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Dorn Hetzel (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Peter Beckman (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Barry Shein (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Peter Beckman (May 28)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Dorn Hetzel (May 29)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Joel Jaeggli (May 29)
- RE: amazonaws.com? Matthew Huff (May 29)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Dorn Hetzel (May 29)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Joel Jaeggli (May 29)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Barry Shein (May 29)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Joel Jaeggli (May 29)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Barry Shein (May 29)
- Re: amazonaws.com? Joel Jaeggli (May 29)
- RE: amazonaws.com? michael.dillon (May 27)