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Re: ISP customer assignments
From: David Barak <thegameiam () yahoo com>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:22:11 -0700 (PDT)
The fallacy here is the idea that IPv6 has a 128-bit namespace. It does not. It has two 64 bit namespaces, where one is expected to be globally unique and flat, While the other is hierarchical. IPv6 has a lot more room than v4 does, but it is worth noting Than in v4, a customer would typically use a single /32. In v6-speak, a /48 is a smaller percentage of the overall space, but it would not be prudent to view the v6-space as infinite. Remember, the value of a network increases with the number of interconnections, and those interconnections are what get numbered. All of the comparisons to atoms in the galaxy or human population are ignoring the hierarchical element of the 64-bit space. The nature of hierarchical allocations requires a Significant "burn" in terms of wasted, unusable addresses. All that said, the /64-based v6 addressing approaches are going to be with us for quite a while, so they're worth getting used to. -David Barak David Andersen wrote:
On Oct 5, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:I'm perplexed. At what size address would people stop worrying about the "finite" address space? 256 bits? 1024 bits? I just don't get it. It's not like people get stressed out about running out of name space in English which is probably more "finite" than ipv6.Unless you're trying to find a nice, catchy, short domain name. ;-) But seriously: Many people don't seem to have good intuition about really big numbers. Say, on the order of 2^128. The same thing comes up in discussions about hash collisions in, e.g., content based naming with a 160-bit namespace. I think it's because the numbers are so astronomically big, that without some amount of math and having thought about it with paper and pencil, people automatically scale the #s into terms they can think of as "really big" (like, # of people on earth). So when they think about the 128-bit namespace, they apply intuition that works for a 35-bit namespace... -Dave
Current thread:
- Re: ISP customer assignments, (continued)
- Re: ISP customer assignments TJ (Oct 06)
- Re: ISP customer assignments James Hess (Oct 06)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Michael Dillon (Oct 08)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Steven Bellovin (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Owen DeLong (Oct 05)
- RE: ISP customer assignments Lee Howard (Oct 06)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Robert . E . VanOrmer (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Michael Thomas (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments David Andersen (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Michael Thomas (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments David Barak (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments David Conrad (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Michael Thomas (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Antonio Querubin (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Adrian Chadd (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Joe Greco (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Adrian Chadd (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Michael Thomas (Oct 05)
- RE: ISP customer assignments TJ (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Tim Durack (Oct 05)
- Re: ISP customer assignments David Conrad (Oct 05)