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Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)
From: Silas Moeckel <silas () dsminc-corp com>
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:23:15 -0400
On 4/29/2011 2:47 PM, Dan White wrote:
Is it all just stalling tactics until IPv6 is everywhere, or am I incorrect that multicast is baked into it rather than tacked on. Unlike the current state of multicast islands were looking at global reach to all IPv6 end points. Even if providers try and stem the flow with AUP's banning sourcing of multicast how many major apps poping up with "you have a valid IPv6 address but multicast is not functioning please contact your ISP as your internet is broken, running at reduced capacity/quality" flooding help desks until ISP's cave in? The only loosers are the ones that were getting paid for transit by the sender, the eyeball networks could well see this as a reduction of backbone utilizationOn 29/04/11 14:04 -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:48:51 EDT, Jay Ashworth said:What's the break-even point, the number of streams being sent at once wheremulticasting it starts taking less resources than N unicast streams?Video distribution is bound to continue to go in the direction ofNetflix/Youtube where ISPs are going to be highly motivated to find cheaperways to provide internet content to their end users. And directly peered,multicast agreements between CDNs and ISPs are going to be a real quick wayto chop operational costs. Even if that doesn't apply to Netflix contenttoday, it's bound to matter for content that consumers are going to want toconsume in real time (sporting events).From the perspective of an ISP operating in a small market, we are seeing abig shift in usage toward Netflix and netflix-like services that isnecessarily going to change the model of how we provide internet services. We have limited access to CDN or Content-Producer peering agreements (thatwould help to save costs) and, even if we did, we're in no position todemand ingress cash flow in those agreements (not enough eyeballs!). Since our users are the ones with the business arrangements with Netflix, and sincetheir demand is shifting in that direction, I'd imagine we'd jump at a chance for private multicast agreements, even if demand didn't quite warrant it at this point.
Silas
Current thread:
- How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Jay Ashworth (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Rubens Kuhl (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Jay Ashworth (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Dan White (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Silas Moeckel (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Jay Ashworth (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Rubens Kuhl (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Simon Lockhart (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Jay Ashworth (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Simon Lockhart (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) John Levine (Apr 29)
- RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) George Bonser (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Jared Mauch (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Jeffrey S. Young (Apr 30)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Rubens Kuhl (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Octavio Alvarez (Apr 29)
- Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) Jay Ashworth (Apr 29)