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Re: quietly....
From: Lamar Owen <lowen () pari edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:44 -0500
On Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:57:46 pm Jay Ashworth wrote:
From: "Michael Dillon" <wavetossed () googlemail com>
This sounds a lot like bellhead speak.
As a long time fan of David Isen, I almost fell off my chair laughing at that, Michael: Bell *wanted* things -- specifically the network -- smart and complicated; Isen's POV, which got him... well, I don't know if "laughed out of" AT&T is the right way to phrase it, but it's close enough, was: Stupid network; smart endpoints.
The bellhead PoV isn't wrong; it's just different. Stupid endpoints tend to be more usable when such usage matters, such as emergencies (power outages, need to call 911, etc). The problem is we're in neither of the two worlds at the moment; we're in between, with complex/smart networks (QoS, etc) and smart/complex endpoints. Which, IMO, is the worst of both worlds. Stupid network and smart endpoint: a smart endpoint user or said user's tech person has a chance to fully troubleshoot and correct issues; Smart network and stupid endpoint: net op tech has a chance to fully troubleshoot and correct issues; Smart network and smart endpoint: nobody can fully troubleshoot anything, and much fingerpointing and hilarity ensues....
Current thread:
- IPv6 routing talk @ RIPE, was: Re: quietly...., (continued)
- IPv6 routing talk @ RIPE, was: Re: quietly.... Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 03)
- Re: quietly.... Mark Andrews (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Mark Smith (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... sthaug (Feb 02)
- RE: quietly.... Frank Bulk (Feb 13)
- Re: quietly.... Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 15)
- Re: quietly.... David Israel (Feb 15)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 15)
- Re: quietly.... Michael Dillon (Feb 15)
- Re: quietly.... Jay Ashworth (Feb 15)
- Re: quietly.... Lamar Owen (Feb 18)
- Re: quietly.... Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 15)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 15)
- Re: quietly.... Mark Andrews (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Ricky Beam (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Lamar Owen (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Tony Finch (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Mark Andrews (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Nick Hilliard (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Randy Bush (Feb 02)
- Re: quietly.... Tony Finch (Feb 02)