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Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone?
From: Jimmy Hess <mysidia () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:51:06 -0500
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <rucasbrown () hushmail com> wrote:
I wouldn't consider myself a network engineer, nor do I have any formal training, but why don't ISPs peer with every other ISP? It would only save EVERYONE money if they did this, no? Only issue I
ISPs are often concerned about: Cost of Peering, and Loss of Revenue due to peering -- ISPs usually like to charge for internet services they provide. Free peering is only beneficial to both sides of a peering relationship when it does reduce costs more than it reduces expected revenue. (a) Costs of peering; both in terms of administrative overhead, ports, circuits, cabinet space, and system resources on existing equipment. Creating a presence in an exchange or building media connections from one ISP to another is not free, ISPs don't naturally all have equipment within range of a free patch cable. Every peering connection a router deals with requires some computing power, some memory, table entries on the router, and, depending on the exchange, possibly additional physical connections. And of course, there are man hours to maintain peering sessions. ISPs are more likely to peer when cost is low relative to advantages after all considered. (B) Loss of revenue due to peering. An extreme example is a very large ISP peering with a small ISP, to allow the small ISP to reach large ISP's customers. The large ISP loses revenue, if they provide the peering for free, since it would mean the small ISP is not paying for that transit. Example: If Level3 peered with anyone who wanted, for free... that would mean noone would have to buy transit from Level3 to send traffic to Level3 customers. There is an analogous situation for ISPs of all sizes though. And if they do agree to peer, there is usually some stipulation about the ratio of traffic beng sent versus received. ISPs do not want to peer for free, if there is a chance their partner would need to buy services from them directly, or indirectly (without the peering), that exceed the benefit/cost reduction of peering. And once a customer, never a peer. -- -JH
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- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone?, (continued)
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- RE: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? George Bonser (Jun 06)
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- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jérôme Nicolle (Jun 06)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Hank Nussbacher (Jun 06)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? bmanning (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jon Lewis (Jun 07)
- RE: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Drew Weaver (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Matthew Palmer (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jon Lewis (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jack Bates (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jérôme Nicolle (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jack Bates (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? bmanning (Jun 07)