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Re: 23,000 IP addresses
From: Roland Perry <lists () internetpolicyagency com>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:39:10 +0100
In article <5f713bd4b694ac42a8bb61aa6001a82f () mail dessus com>, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf () dessus com> writes
Article 5 - Categories of data to be retained 1. Member States shall ensure that the following categories of data are retained under this Directive: (a) data necessary to trace and identify the source of a communication: (...) the name and address of the subscriber or registered user to whom an Internet Protocol (IP) address, user ID or telephone number was allocated at the time of the communication;The real problem is in the stupid wording. The IP Address is not allocated to a "subscriber" or "registered user". It is handed out for use on an authorized circuit. That circuit is being paid for by someone. There is no nexus between a "circuit number" and a "subscriber" or "user" (or there should not be -- and there only is if YOU CHOOSE TO CREATE SUCH).
While there's an argument that the circuit number doesn't identify the user, it most certainly identifies the Subscriber, who is the person who has the legal contract for supply of the circuit.
If network operators behaved rationally, the proper response to any request to divulge information related to an IP address would be limited to the Account Number which was paying for the circuit on which the IP Address was allocated WITH NO IDENTIFICATION OF ANY INDIVIDUAL WHATSOEVER.
So you'd give out the bank/credit card number, but not the name? The legislation above asks for the name and address, and in many jurisdictions revealing the credit card number or bank account number would be regarded as *more* intrusive, not less.
-- Roland Perry
Current thread:
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses, (continued)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Owen DeLong (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Steven Bellovin (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Kevin Oberman (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Justin M. Streiner (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Michael Holstein (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Kevin Oberman (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Steven Bellovin (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Bill Bogstad (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Claudio Lapidus (May 10)
- RE: 23,000 IP addresses Keith Medcalf (May 11)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Roland Perry (May 11)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Michael Painter (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Steven Bellovin (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Ong Beng Hui (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Ken Chase (May 11)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Michael Holstein (May 11)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Wil Schultz (May 10)
- Re: 23,000 IP addresses Steven Bellovin (May 10)