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RE: Six Strike Rule (Was: William was raided...)
From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:54:40 -0600
If you are a facilities based broadband provider in the US you have to comply with CALEA. There is no "coming to some agreement", you have a legal obligation to comply. No more, and no less. You don't have to comply with requests from agencies other than law enforcement under CALEA but you may need to under other requirements such as DMCA. You should know what the minimum legal requirements are and if you don't want to do more than that, fine. However, you could get a court order telling you to do almost anything and it would be expensive and potentially put you in contempt not to comply with them. I am not a lawyer but dealt with these requirements for years on the job. Steven Naslund -----Original Message----- From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs () world std com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:22 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: Six Strike Rule (Was: William was raided...) On December 4, 2012 at 11:10 jason () thebaughers com (Jason Baugher) wrote:
We don't do content inspection. We don't really want to know what our customers are doing, and even if we did, there's not enough time in
the day > to spend paying attention. When we get complaints from the various > copyright agencies, we warn the customer to stop. When we hit a certain > number of complaints, its bye-bye customer. This is why there's a need for some sort of reasonable, organized response outlined in writing. In my experience law enforcement (and others) will try to shift whatever investigative tasks are convenient to them to anyone in the loop. Why not, it costs them nothing to have you running around all day and night doing investigative work for them. They will generally cite the seriousness of the underlying crime as (bottomless) justification for your contribution. The rational response is to sit down as a group within some framework and come to some agreement* with them as to what is a reasonable and sufficient response in these cases. Otherwise you're just the complaint desk at Macy's taking all comers and subject to whatever they can dream up to try to get you to solve their problems. * Agreement with LEOs is best, a unilateral document would at least open discussion one would hope and move towards that end. -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
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