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Re: Common operational misconceptions
From: David Barak <thegameiam () yahoo com>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:20:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Owen DeLong owen () delong com
Sigh... NAT is a horrible hack that served us all too well in address conservation. Beyond that, it is merely a source of pain.
I understand why you say that - NAT did yeoman's work in address conservation. However, it also enabled (yes, really) lots of topologies and approaches which are *not* designed upon the end-to-end model. Some of these approaches have found their way into business proceses. An argument you and others have made many times boils down to "but if we never had NAT, think how much better it would be!" To this, the response "so what?" is not unreasonable - organizations which have built up processes and products around the non-end-to-end model may or may not see a benefit in changing their ways. Asserting that there is something wrong with existing, succesful business practices is not, by itself, compelling. While you and I may find this type of packet header manipulation distasteful, there's lots of organizations for which it's normal operations. The more NAT for v6 gets fought, the more folks will fight to preserve it. Time could be better spent demonstrating why NAT isn't needed in X or Y use case, and providing configuration snippets / assistance for non-NAT-based solutions to those various groups. David Barak Need Geek Rock? Try The Franchise: http://www.listentothefranchise.com
Current thread:
- RE: Common operational misconceptions, (continued)
- RE: Common operational misconceptions George Bonser (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Masataka Ohta (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Steven Bellovin (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Masataka Ohta (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Steven Bellovin (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Masataka Ohta (Feb 20)
- RE: Common operational misconceptions George Bonser (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Masataka Ohta (Feb 20)
- RE: Common operational misconceptions George Bonser (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Masataka Ohta (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions David Barak (Feb 17)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Owen DeLong (Feb 17)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Masataka Ohta (Feb 18)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Owen DeLong (Feb 19)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Joe Greco (Feb 19)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Mark Andrews (Feb 19)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Owen DeLong (Feb 20)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Jimmy Hess (Feb 19)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Karl Auer (Feb 19)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Masataka Ohta (Feb 19)
- Re: Common operational misconceptions Andrew Jones (Feb 19)