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RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
From: Eric Wieling <EWieling () nyigc com>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:46:53 -0400
-----Original Message----- From: Keegan Holley [mailto:keegan.holley () sungard com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:41 PM To: Jared Mauch Cc: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) 2012/3/22 Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley wrote:2012/3/22 Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open theirfiberwhich I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At theendof the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in so of course they shouldnt be allowed to rip out the regulated part andreplaceit with a unregulated one.Maybe I'm missing something, but how exactly does one share fiber?Isn't it usually a closed loop between DWDM or Sonet nodes? It doesn't seem fair to force the incumbents to start handing out lambdas and timeslots to their competitors on the business side. I guess passive optical can be shared depending on the details of the network, but that would still be much different than sharing copper pairs. You agree on a price per distance (e.g.: mile/foot/whatnot). Lets say the cable costs $25k to install for the distance of 5000 feet. That cable has 144 strands.
You need access to one strand. If you install it yourself, it will cost you $25k. If you share the pro-rata cost, it comes out around $174 for that strand. Lets say they mark it up 10x (profit, unused strands), would you pay $1740 for access? What does emergency restoration cost?
I agree, but what if it's not as simple as a bunch of strands in a conduit. What if the plant is part of some sort of multiplexed network or GPON solution. That's alot harder to share with another carrier . But yes if it's simple stands of glass not plugged into anything in particular it can be shared just like copper. Alot of the fiber plant out there isn't used this way though.
WDM/DWDM add cost to that strand, but also increase the capacity based on what your overall lit capacity may be on a route. There are various cwdm/dwdm systems that range the usual 10/20/40/80/100km ranges. You obviously need to do the math yourselves on this. You may find the ROI is better than you think...
This is different than sharing cables. Any long distance carrier is still free to purchase service from any LEC. The term "sharing fiber" seemed to imply that it's freely transferable from one company to the next. It largely isn't though, which is why I think the FCC hasn't touched it yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Verizon has no problem delivering service via fiber with a DSX-1 or Ethernet handoff. We simply want that service backhauled to us just like all our customers with service over copper with DSX-1 or Ethernet handoff.
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- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al), (continued)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 23)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Joseph Snyder (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Joseph Snyder (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Joseph Snyder (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Owen DeLong (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Joseph Snyder (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Michael Painter (Mar 25)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Keegan Holley (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Jared Mauch (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Keegan Holley (Mar 22)
- RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Eric Wieling (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Luke S. Crawford (Mar 22)
- RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Frank Bulk (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) 'Luke S. Crawford' (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Masataka Ohta (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Jimmy Hess (Mar 23)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Masataka Ohta (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Keegan Holley (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Ray Soucy (Mar 26)