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Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
From: Keegan Holley <keegan.holley () sungard com>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:16:37 -0400
2012/3/22 William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley <keegan.holley () sungard com> wrote:2012/3/22 Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open theirfiberwhich I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At theendof the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in so of course they shouldnt be allowed to rip out the regulated part andreplaceit with a unregulated one.Maybe I'm missing something, but how exactly does one share fiber? Isn't it usually a closed loop between DWDM or Sonet nodes? It doesn't seemfairto force the incumbents to start handing out lambdas and timeslots totheircompetitors on the business side. I guess passive optical can be shared depending on the details of the network, but that would still be much different than sharing copper pairs.So, you share fiber by having one guy control one wavelength (color, e.g. red) and another guy control another wavelength (e.g. blue). And when you install it to a home or business, the "prism" sits up on the phone pole and just splits out the one wavelength that is intended for that location. You can't even stray out of your color: if you do, the prism will bend the light in a way that misses the target beam. So who get's the keys the the cabinet it resides in? The LEC? All of the
CLECs? The FCC? Who's responsible for maintaining the box given it's now shared. Who takes legal responsibility for outages caused by things done to this magical prism you speak of? In the LD to LEC carrier model you can use whatever you want, but this is different from what the FCC intended when they forced the incumbents to share copper plant. Also PON and WDM are very different actually, but that's beside the point. Once the incumbent has to permit access to their nodes the CLECs become customers. Copper pairs followed a different model because they could be used by anyone at the whim of hte customer. Not all fiber based networks are implemented that way.
Current thread:
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al), (continued)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Jared Mauch (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Keegan Holley (Mar 22)
- RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Eric Wieling (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Luke S. Crawford (Mar 22)
- RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Frank Bulk (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) 'Luke S. Crawford' (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Masataka Ohta (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Jimmy Hess (Mar 23)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Masataka Ohta (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Keegan Holley (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Ray Soucy (Mar 26)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) david peahi (Mar 26)
- RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Chuck Church (Mar 26)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Ray Soucy (Mar 26)
- RE: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Frank Bulk (Mar 24)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Owen DeLong (Mar 24)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Joe Maimon (Mar 26)
- RE: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Eric Wieling (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) William Herrin (Mar 21)