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Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:47:40 -0700
Right, but a better approach would have been for the FCC to say "If you don't build fiber, you won't keep getting USF money." The FCC failed to look at the public interest and got rolled by the RBOCs again. Owen On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
Around the 2004 timeframe the RBOCs were having a discussion with the FCC, basically saying that if the FCC did not apply unbundling to their fiber builds they would build fiber, and that if the FCC did apply unbundling rules they would not. The FCC wanted fiber deployed, so they withheld applying unbundling rules. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysidia () gmail com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47 PM To: John T. Yocum Cc: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John T. Yocum <john.yocum () fluidhosting com> wrote:VZ wants to get rid of their copper plant. It's expensive to maintain, andAs opposed to fiber plant which is indestructible and cheap to maintain? Well, if VZ owns the copper, if it's not being used to provide a service, and the price of copper keeps going up, it's only a matter of time before VZ should want to take their bits of unused cable back. How useful is leaving a dormant loop in place just because someone might theoretically want it someday? Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be recycled/put to good use.it requires that they sell service to competitors. Once they'vedisconnectedtheir customers from it, they can just eliminate the copper plant. POTSYou sure the regulations won't eventually be updated to apply some rules to whatever POTS is being replaced with? Possibly years before they could finish eliminating their copper plant, which doesn't likely happen until the pricing allows POTS customers to get FiOS delivery installed for free as a cheaper alternative to POTS delivery. -- -JH
Current thread:
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc, (continued)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Masataka Ohta (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Jimmy Hess (Mar 23)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc Masataka Ohta (Mar 24)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Keegan Holley (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Ray Soucy (Mar 26)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) david peahi (Mar 26)
- RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Chuck Church (Mar 26)
- Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al) Ray Soucy (Mar 26)
- RE: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Frank Bulk (Mar 24)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Owen DeLong (Mar 24)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Joe Maimon (Mar 26)
- RE: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Eric Wieling (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) William Herrin (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Jay Ashworth (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) John T. Yocum (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) William Herrin (Mar 21)
- RE: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Tom Walsh - EWS (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) joe mcguckin (Mar 21)