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Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM
From: Lee Howard <Lee () asgard org>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:55:24 -0400
On 4/24/13 10:18 AM, "Andrew Latham" <lathama () gmail com> wrote:
* Tore On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Tore Anderson <tore () fud no> wrote:* Andrew LathamI have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s moving to colocation/aws networks and not giving up their unused network space. I assume this will come into play soon.A couple of /24s being returned wouldn't make a significant difference when it comes to IPv4 depletion. Heck, not even a couple of /8s would. Trying to reclaim and redistribute unused space would be a tremendous waste of effort.If I can walk around a smallish town and point at 5 businesses like this its a possible solution. I am not claiming a few /24s will do, I am claiming that there are many (for larger values of many) companies like this.
Look at NRO statistics prior to APNIC and RIPE final /8 (runout). It's pretty linear growth. Is that the real demand for IPv4 addresses? In the last couple of years it was 10-15 /8 equivalents. How many addresses do you think can be released (whether reclaimed or, as is more likely, brought into the market)? A /8? Five /8s? Say it's a billion addresses made available to a market. That only feeds demand for 18-30 months. A demand curve would show that as prices increase, there is demand for fewer IPv4 addresses. However, nobody knows the slope of the curve (other than my speculation about cost of IPv6 and TCO of CGN as points where the demand shifts). A supply curve would show that as prices increase, more addresses become available (transfers, renumbering, eventually substitution). I'm working on ideas about that slope. Lee
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- "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Valdis Kletnieks (Apr 23)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Leo Bicknell (Apr 23)
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- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Andrew Latham (Apr 23)
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- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Tore Anderson (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Mikael Abrahamsson (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Tore Anderson (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Andrew Latham (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Lee Howard (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Andrew Latham (Apr 24)
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- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Leo Bicknell (Apr 23)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Tore Anderson (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Andrew Latham (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Andrew Latham (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Christopher Morrow (Apr 24)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM John Curran (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Andrew Latham (Apr 24)
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