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Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
From: Ben Hatton <bhatton () htva net>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:04:29 -0400
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So much This... You don't realize how important this is until your nationwide provider takes 8 WEEKS to add one network to your (already set up and working for 20 other networks) peering. Then decides to charge you a fee for the change. Ben Hatton Network Systems Engineer On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Justin M. Streiner <streiner () cluebyfour org
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Eric Louie wrote: Good stuff Justin - Any other criteria that you would use?Joe covered a lot of good stuff in his response. A few providers call themselves Tier 1, though the accuracy of those assertions is often suspect. The truth can be somewhat more complicated... and exactly how much more complicated isn't always clear until Provider X gets de-peered by Provider Y and finds themselves having to negotiate a quick fix, often by cutting a check. I would also ask people here who they have had very good experiences with, regardless of what "tier" the provider fits into. jms -----Original Message-----From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:streiner@cluebyfour.**org<streiner () cluebyfour org> ] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:17 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Eric Louie wrote: Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a fewcriteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm open to add other criteria - what would you add to this list? And how would I get a quantitative or qualitative measure of it?Define "Tier 1 provider". I ask this because it's something that many people don't know what it means, but assume that Tier 1 > Tier !=1. routing stabilityRouteviews.org can shed some light here. BGP community offeringsIf $provider has a page on www.peeringdb.com, they might publish a list of their BGP communities there. Other places to look would be the provider's whois/IRR entries, and on their respective websites, or the sales/marketing folks might be able to get this information for you. congestion issuesThere are various internet traffic report / weather report sites that can give you indirect insight into things like. By indirect, I mean that you might be able to infer things like congestion at a specific point based on what you see on those sites. BGP Peering relationshipsYou can look at pages like www.peeringdb.com, and you will typically see if $provider is at an exchange, however the peering relationships that many providers have other providers (locations, speeds, etc) are confidential. path diversityYou can ask $provider's sales and marketing folks, but there is no guarantee that you will get an answer (actual routes are considered confidential and proprietary information, despite the fact that a lot of providers' fiber ends up converging in a small handful of routes in some areas - i.e. many of them follow the same set of railroad tracks or cross a river at the same bridge, possibly even in the same conduit) or a correct answer (wave X might be re-groomed onto path Y without a whole lot of customer notification). IPv6 table sizeSites like routeviews.org can give you some visibility here. Seems like everyone offers 5 9's service, 45 ms coast-to-coast, 24x7customer support, 100/1Gbps/10Gbps with various DIR/CIR and burst rates. I'm shopping for new service and want to do better than choosing on reputation. (or, is reputation also a criteria?)Absolutely reputation should be a factor. I would argue that Internet access is largely commoditized anymore (and has been for several years), so the real differentiators are cost and level of service. jms
Current thread:
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers, (continued)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Eric Louie (Aug 27)
- Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 27)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Eric Louie (Aug 27)
- Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Blake Dunlap (Aug 27)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Eric Louie (Aug 27)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Eric Louie (Aug 27)
- Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Tore Anderson (Aug 28)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Eric Louie (Aug 27)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Justin M. Streiner (Aug 27)
- Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Ben Hatton (Aug 27)
- Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Justin M. Streiner (Aug 27)
- Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers ML (Aug 28)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Justin M. Streiner (Aug 27)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Eric Louie (Aug 27)
- RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers Eric Louie (Aug 27)