Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

[Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>]

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Aaron Wendel
<aaron () wholesaleinternet net>wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 3:37 PM, Richard Golodner wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2013-07-14 at 09:36 -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
> >
> > > in
> > > fact, they were all likely in the same rotten boat.
> >
> >         Why I love open source. Look at my mail, track my web site
> > visits. None
> > of this should come as any surprise, especially to the members of this
> > list. Now for the guy down the street that is working on his 69 Camaro
> > at two in the morning it may have come as a shock.
> >         Richard
> We (ISPs) are all compelled to provide information from time to time under
> a court order. The PRISM program is voluntary.  These companies gave the
> NSA access to their systems voluntarily.  To me there is a big difference.
>  I would be interested to know what they got out of it.

It was far from voluntary, and it apparently didn't happen
without a lot of resistance.  At least some details of the
long, hard fight that started five years ago are finally being
allowed to be declassified now:

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/16/technology/security/yahoo-fisa-court/index.html
http://mashable.com/2013/07/16/yahoo-fisa-court-2008-prism/

It will be interesting to see how much of the court
documents will be visible and unredacted when
they are released on Monday.

Matt