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Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)
From: "Justin M. Streiner" <streiner () cluebyfour org>
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:33:51 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, Bryan Socha wrote:
Oh btw, how many ipv4s are you hording with zero justification to keep them? I was unpopular during apricot for not liking the idea of no liability leasing of v4. I don't like this artificial v4 situation every eyeball network created. Why is v4 a commodity and asset? Where is the audits. I can justify my 6 /14s, can you still?
That ship sailed a long time time ago. Can some IPv4 space be recovered by 'auditing' consumers of IPv4? Possibly. Does the amount of space that would be recovered justify the effort (economic, administrative, legal, technical)? No. IPv6 is the way to go.
All of these 'Hail Mary' options for 'saving' IPv4 really are pointless.Don't forget that IPv4, in the form we know it, was never intended to go into production. It's a lab experiment that grew legs and got out of its cage.
jms
On Mar 22, 2014 4:36 AM, "TJ" <trejrco () gmail com> wrote:Millions of IPs don't matter in the face of X billions of people, and XX-XXX billions of devices - and this is just the near term estimate. (And don't forget utilization efficiency - Millions of IPs is not millions of customers served.) Do IPv6. /TJ On Mar 22, 2014 3:09 AM, "Bryan Socha" <bryan () digitalocean com> wrote:As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the rirswillrun out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites. Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 fornospam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS exist, there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
Current thread:
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.), (continued)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Owen DeLong (Mar 24)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Bob Evans (Mar 24)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) TJ (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Lee Howard (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Bob Evans (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Owen DeLong (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Owen DeLong (Mar 24)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Cb B (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Chris Knipe (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Justin M. Streiner (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Justin M. Streiner (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) John Levine (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) John Levine (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 23)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Tore Anderson (Mar 23)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Andrews (Mar 23)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 23)