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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality


From: Jerry Dent <effinjdent () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 14:02:19 -0500

If traffic is unbalanced, what determines who is the payer and who is the
payee? Apparently whoever can hold on to their customers better while
performance is shit.


On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Blake Dunlap <ikiris () gmail com> wrote:

I agree, and those peers should be then paid for the bits that your
customers are requesting that they send through you if you cannot
maintain a balanced peer relationship with them. It's shameful that
access networks are attempting to not pay for their leeching of mass
amounts of data in clear violation of standard expectations for
balanced peering agreements.

Oh... you meant something else?

-Blake

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Livingood, Jason
<Jason_Livingood () cable comcast com> wrote:
On 5/15/14, 1:28 PM, "Nick B" <nick () pelagiris org<mailto:
nick () pelagiris org>> wrote:

By "categorically untrue" do you mean "FCC's open internet rules allow
us to refuse to upgrade full peers"?

Throttling is taking, say, a link from 10G and applying policy to
constrain it to 1G, for example. What if a peer wants to go from a balanced
relationship to 10,000:1, well outside of the policy binding the
relationship? Should we just unquestionably toss out our published policy –
which is consistent with other networks – and ignore expectations for other
peers?

Jason



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