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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch
From: Jeffrey Ollie <jeff () ocjtech us>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:41:53 -0500
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:43 AM, C. Jon Larsen <jlarsen () richweb com> wrote:
Hardly. The discussion so far has been weighted very heavily on the side of Dana Carvey's "Grumpy Old Man"-style whining. "That's the way it was and we liked it!". The people that like systemd (like myself) have wisely learned that the people that hate systemd, hate it mostly because it's different from what came before and don't want to change. There's no way to argue rationally with that.Incorrect assumption. systemd is a massive security hole waiting to happen
The same can be said for any software. Shellshock anyone? How many security issues remain in bash? One of the reasons systemd was first written was to get rid of the the tangle of shell scripts that are used to start up a system using sysvinit.
and it does not follow the unix philosophy of done 1 thing and do it well/correct. Its basically ignoring 40 years of best practices. Thats why folks that have been there, done that, dont want any part of it. Not because its new, but because its a flawed concept.
I was going to write a longer response here, but this: http://lwn.net/Articles/576078/ sums up my thoughts on the "unix philosophy". It's not the be-all-end-all that you make it out to be. Again, this sounds a lot like "Grumpy Old Man" complaining.
You are free to use it, but it would be a poor choice for system that has hopes of being secure.
I would disagree, especially since systemd makes it practical to use many of the capabilities of the Linux kernel that can improve security, like filesystem namespaces, cgroups, etc. -- Jeff Ollie
Current thread:
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch, (continued)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch C. Jon Larsen (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Andrew Sullivan (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Daniel Corbe (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Andrew Sullivan (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd [OT] Randy Bush (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd [OT] Barry Shein (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jamie Lawrence (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch John Schiel (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch John Schiel (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Randy Bush (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)