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RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion
From: Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:42:51 +0000
What am I missing? Is it just the splitting on the sextet boundary that is an issue, or do people think people really need 64k subnets per household? With /56 you are giving each residential customer: 256 subnets x 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 hosts per subnet. I would expect at least 95.0% of residential customers are using 1 subnet, and 99.9% are using less than 4. I can understand people complaining when some ISPs were deciding to only give out a /64, but even with new ideas, new protocols and new applications, do people really think residential customers will need more than 256 subnets? When such a magical new system is developed, and people start to want it, can't ISPs start new /48 delegations? Since DHCP-PD and their infrastructure will already be setup for /56, it may not be easy, but it shouldn't be that difficult. I know the saying "build it and they will come....", but seriously.... I'd rather ISPs stop discussing deploying IPv6, and start doing it... Verizon: "The upgrades will start in 2013 and the first phase will include Verizon FiOS customers who have a dynamic IP address.". I'm still waiting...(at least I have a 6in4 tunnel with he.net). ---- Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations | Purchase, NY 10577 OTA Management LLC | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-694-5669 -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Marco Teixeira Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 11:09 AM To: Harald Koch Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Probably because he got good advise from his father :) On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Harald Koch <chk () pobox com> wrote:
On 9 July 2015 at 09:11, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:I think you're confusing very common for a tech guy and very common for the common man. I have a dozen or two v4 subnets in my house. Thenagain, Ialso run my ISP out of my house, so I have a ton of stuff going on. Ican'teven think of a handful of other people that would have more than one.My son (who is not a tech guy but is a gamer) has four subnets in his (rented) house already: private LAN, guest network, home control network, and a separate LAN for the tenant downstairs who is sharing their broadband connection. And he's just getting started. The "common man" is becoming much more sophisticated in their networking requirements, and they need this stuff to just work. Please don't place artificially small limits just because you can't see a need. -- Harald
Current thread:
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion, (continued)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Mel Beckman (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Mike Hammett (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Ricky Beam (Jul 08)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Mark Andrews (Jul 08)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Baldur Norddahl (Jul 08)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Owen DeLong (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Tony Finch (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Mike Hammett (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Harald Koch (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Marco Teixeira (Jul 09)
- RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Matthew Huff (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Harald Koch (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Dave Taht (Jul 09)
- RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Matthew Huff (Jul 09)
- RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Tony Finch (Jul 09)
- RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Naslund, Steve (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Owen DeLong (Jul 09)
- RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Naslund, Steve (Jul 09)
- RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Tyler Applebaum (Jul 09)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Jared Mauch (Jul 09)
- RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Matthew Huff (Jul 09)