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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
From: Stephen Satchell <list () satchell net>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:24:09 -0800
On 02/28/2015 02:49 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
On 2/28/2015 4:38 PM, Barry Shein wrote:Asymmetric service was introduced to discourage home users from deploying "commercial" services. As were bandwidth caps.Hmm, at one point I was going to ask if anyone else remembered a long time ago ISPs having something in their TOS about not hosting servers. It's been so long, I thought that perhaps I might be remembering wrong.
You remember correctly. How cable companies "enforced" this particular ToS clause would very, but one tactic was to have short DHCP leases, and guaranteee that the IP address would change at lease "renewal". To counter, we got third-party Dynamic DNS service which would allow a cable customer to periodically update the IP address of a domain, with a short TTL so that a change would take effect immediately. The other side of this: cable DNS servers would, on its own dime, cache DNS lookups with week-long TTLs to thwart Dynamic DNS. It was quite a war there for a while. (N.B.: "we forced long TTLs to reduce the traffic necessary across our peering points." At one point, the cable people said they had one, count 'em one, peering link at 44 megabits/s, to serve all cable companies [with their own internal network]. I still don't know whether to buy that or not, and now it's moot.) How did I know about the DNS server manipulation? I worked for a Web hosting company with about 3,000 domains being served. Whenever the company renumbered (until it finally got its own IP allocation in order to multi-home) we would have to service the old addresses and new addresses for a week. When the cable DNS servers finally aged out the old addresses, we could shut down the old ones. Royal admin pain in the neck. Dunno if this is still true anymore.
Current thread:
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Michael Thomas (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Michael Thomas (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Michael Thomas (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Jack Bates (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Lyndon Nerenberg (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mark Tinka (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Lyndon Nerenberg (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Jack Bates (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Lyndon Nerenberg (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Matthew Kaufman (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Michael Thomas (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Michael Thomas (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Bob Evans (Feb 28)