Re: de-peering for security sake

[bzs () theworld com]

On January 18, 2016 at 00:21 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu (Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu) wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 19:39:52 -0500, bzs () theworld com said:
> > How about if backed by an agreement with the 5 RIRs stating no new
> > resource allocations or transfers etc unless a contract is signed and
> > enforced? Or similar.
>
> Then they'd just resort to hijacking address space.
>
> Oh wait, they already do that and get away with it....

I think we're talking about two different problems, both valid.

One is legitimate operators who probably mostly want to do the right
thing but are negligent, disagree (perhaps with many one this list) on
what is an actionable problem, etc.

The other are those actors prone to criminality.

I was addressing the first problem though I'd assert that progress on
the first problem would likely yield progress on the second, or
cooperation anyhow.

> (And a threat of withholding IP address space from long-haul providers isn't as
> credible - they have much less need for publicly routed IP addresses than
> either eyeball farms or content farms, so you'll have to find some other way to
> motivate them to not accept a hijacked route announcement...)

No man is an island entire of himself -- John Donne.

First one has to agree to the concept of creating a network based on
contractual agreements.

I gave some examples of how to encourage actors to enter into those
contracts, my list wasn't intended to be exhaustive, it was intended
to be an existence proof, some pressure points exist and are easy to
understand even if not complete.

Besides, why make the perfect the enemy of the good? If many, perhaps
not all (or not at first), agreed to a common set of contractual
obligations that would be progress, no?

Is there even a document which describes what a "hijacked" net block
is and why it is bad? Obvious? No, it is not obvious. The best one can
say is there exist obvious cases.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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