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Re: CALEA
From: Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 16:04:10 -0400
How many requests per 1k or 10k customers? Is primarily residential a safe assumption? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Mike Joseph <mj () doze net> wrote:
I can say via firsthand knowledge that CALEA requests are definitely happening and are not even that rare, proportional to a reasonably sized subscriber-base. It would be unlawful for me to comment specifically on any actual CALEA requests, however. But if you have general questions about my observations, feel free to reach out directly. -MJ On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Brian Mengel <bmengel () gmail com> wrote:My comments were strictly limited to my understanding of CALEA as it applied to ISPs, not telcos. A request for a lawful intercept can entail mirroring a real time stream of all data sent to/from a customer'sInternetconnection (cable modem/DSL/dedicated Ethernet) to a LEA. AFAIK this requires mediation before being sent to the LEA and it is the mediation server itself that initiates the intercept when so configured by the ISP. Perhaps some LEAs have undertaken the mediation function so as to facilitate these intercepts where the neither the ISP nor a third partycando so. If that were the case then very little would be needed on thepartof the ISP in order to comply with a request for lawful intercept. I can say with certainty that these types of requests are being made ofbroadbandISPs though I agree that they are very rare. On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Ricky Beam <jfbeam () gmail com> wrote:On Tue, 10 May 2016 17:00:54 -0400, Brian Mengel <bmengel () gmail com> wrote: AFAIK being able to do a lawful intercept on a specific, named,individual's service has been a requirement for providers since 2007.It's been required for longer than that. The telco I worked for over a decade ago didn't build the infrastructure until the FCC said they were going to stop funding upgrades. That really got 'em movin'. (suddenly"dataservices" people -- i.e. ME -- weren't redheaded stepchildren.) have never heard of a provider, big or small, being called out forbeingunable to provide this service when requested.Where existing infrastructure is not already in place (read:T1/BRI/etc.),the telco can take up to 60 days to get that setup. I know more thanonetelco that used that grace period to actually setup CALEA in the first place. did not perform intercepts routinely.The historic published figures (i've not looked in years) suggest CALEA requests are statistically rare. The NC based telco I worked for hadneverreceived an order in the then ~40yr life of the company. The mediation server needed to "mediate" between your customeraggregationbox and the LEA is not inexpensive.And also is not the telco's problem. Mediation is done by the LEA or3rdparty under contract to any number of agencies. For example, a telcotaporder would mirror the control and voice traffic of a POTS line (T1/PRI channel, etc.) into a BRI or specific T1 channel. (dialup was lateradded,but wasn't required in my era, so we didn't support it.) We used totestthat by tapping a tech's phone. Not having any mediation software, allIcould do is "yeap, it's sending data" and listen to the voice channelson at-berd. --Ricky
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- Re: CALEA Josh Reynolds (May 09)
- Re: CALEA Matt Hoppes (May 10)
- Re: CALEA Josh Reynolds (May 10)
- Re: CALEA Christopher Morrow (May 10)
- Re: CALEA Josh Reynolds (May 10)
- Re: CALEA Brian Mengel (May 11)
- Re: CALEA Ricky Beam (May 11)
- Re: CALEA Brian Mengel (May 12)
- Re: CALEA Mike Joseph (May 29)
- Re: CALEA Josh Luthman (May 29)
- Re: CALEA Martin Hannigan (May 31)
- Re: CALEA Martin Hannigan (May 31)
- Re: CALEA Christopher Morrow (May 31)
- Re: CALEA Leo Bicknell (May 11)