Re: Whats going on at Cogent

[David Hubbard <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com>]

Yeah google is the issue for us.  We provide web services and a LOT of our customers have software that is making calls 
of various types to Google services, or even just email delivery to Google hosted email; if all but a Cogent transit 
link to a given data center were down, all of those customers’ sites would begin failing at some level because the 
servers generally try v6 if the application level wasn’t explicit.  Cogent doesn’t seem to care since their CEO is in 
some pissing match with Google.  They must be deriving enough revenue from last mile v4-only turn ups that they don’t 
really care about dual stack customers.

That being said, can’t say I’ve been impressed with their MPLS / metroE offerings either.  When doing the 
pricing/sizing routine on a project, I learned that they have an internal concept of src-dst flows on those types of 
circuits, and if they can’t see your labels, or otherwise hash the traffic, or it all truly is point to point, you may 
not get the full bandwidth, or may need to buy a capacity larger than what the flow will be.

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of DaKnOb <daknob.mac () gmail com>
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 10:06 AM
To: Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent

When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then 
they tell me to get a different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my traffic from there.

About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an increase in salespeople calling, for example when an 
AS is registered etc. in addition to the normal calls..

On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com<mailto:dovid () telecurve com>> wrote:
They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have 
yet to get another email.......


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com<mailto:cb.list6 () gmail com>> wrote:


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com<mailto:dhubbard () dino hostasaurus 
com>> wrote:
Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so 
we’re slowly removing circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been stable.


Yep, this.  Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them. Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what 
they do if i use a default route from them, is dead on arrival.  Shows they make bad decisions and dont put the 
customer first, or even create such an illusion.


From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org<mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org>> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <ryan.g () 
atwgpc net<mailto:ryan.g () atwgpc net>>
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
To: NANOG <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>>
Subject: Whats going on at Cogent

Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account people at Cogent the last few months? Is there 
something going on over there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap but in the past 
their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad.

Regards,
Ryan