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Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues
From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 02:55:45 +0000
On 25 Sep 2018, at 7:11 PM, Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> wrote:
Why is ARIN making it so hard for it’s members to get the benefits of the global ecosystem for their RIR controlled space? What makes ARIN IP space so unique in this sense? As part of a global ecosystem it’s incumbent of many of us to do the right thing here and ARIN is increasing the friction on the part of everyone to do the right thing.
Jared - Indeed - In the process of complying with a different legal environment, ARIN sometimes has to behave differently than RIRs that are located elsewhere... In order to protect the stability of the services we provide to all ARIN customers, we have those relying on ARIN’s certificate services indemnify ARIN from claims of damages in connection with their usage. Such indemnification isn’t unique to ARIN - RIPE has RPKI publishers indemnify RIPE, APNIC has any users of APNIC digital certificates indemnify APNIC, etc. The significant difference for ARIN is that we operate under a different legal regime, and as a matter of US law, it appears that we cannot rely only upon terms and conditions published in our website as evidence of informed agreement; i.e. within the US legal framework, we need a specific act of acceptance in order to have a binding agreement. We originally accomplished this binding via an explicit click-box acknowledgement and emailing the the TAL to agreeing party, then managed to evolve it over time to just the click-box acceptance of terms, and now are able to consider the act of simply downloading of the TAL itself as sufficient to constitute agreement to terms. Different legal regimes result in different implementations, even when the terms (such as indemnification) are similar. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers
Current thread:
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues, (continued)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues John Curran (Sep 25)
- RE: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Michel Py (Sep 25)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Jared Mauch (Sep 25)
- RE: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Michel Py (Sep 25)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Mark Milhollan (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues John Curran (Sep 27)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Stuart Henderson (Sep 28)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Anderson, Charles R (Sep 28)
- Towards an RPKI-rich Internet (and the appropriate allocation of responsibility in the event an RIR RPKI CA outage) John Curran (Sep 30)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Jared Mauch (Sep 25)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues John Curran (Sep 25)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Christopher Morrow (Sep 25)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues John Curran (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Jared Mauch (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues John Curran (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Jared Mauch (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues John Curran (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Claudio Jeker (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Tony Finch (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues John Curran (Sep 26)
- Re: ARIN RPKI TAL deployment issues Job Snijders (Sep 26)