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Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)
From: "Valdis Klētnieks" <valdis.kletnieks () vt edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:15:40 -0400
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:42:09 -0000, John Curran said:
You might want want to ask them why they are now a problem when they werenât before (Also worth noting that many of these ISP's own contracts with their customers have rather similar indemnification clauses.)
Actually, it's probably ARIN that should be doing the asking, and seeing if they can change the wording and/or rephrase the issue to allay concerns. It sounds to me like ARIN's *intent* was "if you get sued by your customers because you screw the pooch on deployment, it's your screw-up to clean up and not our problem". Or at least I *hope* that was the intent (see next paragraph) But I suspect a lot of companies are reading it as: "If a spammer sues you for using a block list that prevents them from spamming your customers, you can't end up owing money to the block list maintainers. But if you rely on the ARIN TAL, and get sued by an address hijacker, you could end up owing money to ARIN". (Having said that, John, it takes a special sort of CEO to stand out and be seen in situations like this, and the world could probably use more CEO's like that...)
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- Re: RPKI adoption, (continued)
- Re: RPKI adoption William Herrin (Aug 13)
- Re: RPKI adoption John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) William Herrin (Aug 13)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Ronald F. Guilmette (Aug 13)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Ronald F. Guilmette (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Matthew Petach (Aug 13)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption Job Snijders (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Rubens Kuhl (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 14)
- RE: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Michel Py (Aug 15)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Hank Nussbacher (Aug 13)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Ronald F. Guilmette (Aug 14)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Hank Nussbacher (Aug 14)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 John Curran (Aug 15)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Christopher Morrow (Aug 15)