Re: Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)

[Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf () gmail com>]

I would add packet loss rate. Should be zero, and if it isn’t, it points to an underlying problem.

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> On May 31, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote:
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> I think the latency and bps is going to be the best way to measure broadband everyone can agree on.  Is there a 
> better way, sure, but how can you quantify it?
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> > On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:16 AM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> > I think that just underscores that the bps of a connection isn't the end-all, be-all of connection quality. Yes, I'm 
> > sure most of us here knew that. However, many of us here still get distracted by the bps.
> >
> > If we can't get it right, how can we expect policy wonks to get it right?
> >
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> > From: "Sean Donelan" <sean () donelan com>
> > To: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 6:25:12 PM
> > Subject: Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)
> >
> >
> > I thought in the 1990s, we had moved beyond using average bps measurements 
> > for IP congestion collapse.  During the peering battles, some ISPs used to 
> > claim average bps measurements showed no problems.  But in reality there 
> > were massive packet drops, re-transmits and congestive collapse which 
> > didn't show up in simple average bps graphs.
> >
> >
> > Have any academic researchers done work on what are the real-world minimum 
> > connection requirements for home-schooling, video teams applications, job 
> > interview video calls, and network background application noise?
> >
> >
> > During the last year, I've been providing volunteer pandemic home 
> > schooling support for a few primary school teachers in a couple of 
> > different states.  Its been tough for pupils on lifeline service (fixed 
> > or mobile), and some pupils were never reached. I found lifeline students 
> > on mobile (i.e. 3G speeds) had trouble using even audio-only group calls, 
> > and the exam proctoring apps often didn't work at all forcing those 
> > students to fail exams unnecessarily.
> >
> > In my experience, anecdotal data need some academic researchers, pupils 
> > with at least 5 mbps (real-world measurement) upstream connections at 
> > home didn't seem to have those problems, even though the average bps graph 
> > was less than 1 mbps.