Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

[Colton Conor <colton.conor () gmail com>]

300 apartments Mark. No, it's bulk internet and wifi so a single provider.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:01 PM Mark Andrews <marka () isc org> wrote:
> And how many apartments where covered by that single IP address? Was this
> where there is a restriction on other providers so the occupants had no
> choice of wireline ISP?
>
> > On 23 Sep 2021, at 09:38, Colton Conor <colton.conor () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > Where does this "You can only have about 200-300 subscribers per IPv4
> > address on a CGN." limit come from? I have seen several apartment
> > complexes run on a single static IPv4 address using a Mikrotik with
> > NAT.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 2:49 PM Baldur Norddahl
> > <baldur.norddahl () gmail com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 16:48, Masataka Ohta <mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp> wrote:
> > > > Today, as /24 can afford hundreds of thousands of subscribers
> > > > by NAT, only very large retail ISPs need more than one
> > > > announcement for IPv4.
> > >
> > >
> > > You can only have about 200-300 subscribers per IPv4 address on a CGN. If you try to go further than that, for 
> > > example by using symmetric NAT, you will increase the number of customers that want to get a public IPv4 of their 
> > > own. That will actually decrease the combined efficiency and cause you to need more, not less, IPv4 addresses.
> > >
> > > Without checking our numbers, I believe we have at least 10% of the customers that are paying for a public IPv4 to 
> > > escape our CGN. This means a /24 will only be enough for about 2500 customers maximum. The "nat escapers" drown 
> > > out the efficiency of the NAT pool.
> > >
> > > The optimization you need to do is to make the CGN as customer friendly as possible instead of trying to squeeze 
> > > the maximum customers per CGN IPv4 address.
> > >
> > > Perhaps IPv6 can lower the number of people that need to escape IPv4 nat. If it helps just a little bit, that 
> > > alone will make implementing IPv6 worth it for smaller emerging operators. Buying IPv4 has become very expensive. 
> > > Yes you can profit from selling a public IPv4 address to the customer, but there is also the risk that the 
> > > customer just goes to the incumbent, which has old large pools of IPv4 and provides it for free.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Baldur
>
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