Re: home router battery backup

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

Armchair quarterbacking here: 


Increasing 
--- 
Demand 
Age of infrastructure 
Capital Costs 
Operational Costs 
Government mismanagement 




Decreasing 
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Tolerance for outages 
Tolerance for price increases 
Competence 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ahmed elBornou" <amaged () gmail com> 
To: "Michael Thomas" <mike () mtcc com> 
Cc: nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 4:37:33 PM 
Subject: Re: home router battery backup 


Do we know if there are common reasons why these power outages are on the rise across different states and if this is 
expected to continue ? 



Ahmed 


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:43 AM Michael Thomas < mike () mtcc com > wrote: 



On 1/12/22 11:25 AM, Fred Baker wrote: 
> > On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG < nanog () nanog org > wrote: 
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth < andy () andyring com > wrote: 
> > Given that most people barely even know what their home router is, I suspect the percentage would be somewhere south 
> > of 1 percent. Outside of my home, I honestly cannot recall EVER seeing someone’s home using a battery backup for 
> > their internet infrastructure. 
> >
> > Same here. The only people I've seen that have battery backups for their home routers are fellow geeks. I even 
> > bought one and shipped it to my ~70-year-old mother...and she just doesn't want to install it. "Too complicated". 
> >
> > I personally do, but of course I (and probably everyone on this list) am by no means representative of the 
> > population at large in this particular area. 
> >
> > Same. My home office has 3 Cyberpower 2500 VA double-conversion UPS units backed by Champion transfer switches. 
> > Power goes out, and ~45 seconds later I'm running on generator power. 
> > My local ISP runs out of power well before I do. Thankfully there's Starlink. 
> >
> > Short of an asteroid hitting my office, it's highly unlikely I'll ever be offline. ;) 
> In my case (California, home of SCE and PG&E), we have been notified by our electrical grid operators that power can 
> go down at any time, for any reason, and any duration. I have just moved, so I am speaking in a historical context 
> and future plans, but we have solar electricity as well and have a battery in the home that in effect backs up part 
> of the house. We don't back up the Internet service, because frankly if power is down in the grid I'm not sure my 
> favorite router is all that important, in addition to the considerations already mentioned. But power can and does go 
> down - even without asteroids. 

We just installed a battery too, but it will probably only last ~1 day 
and much less than that in winter. We're in the process of looking at a 
generator that interfaces directly with the inverter so that it handles 
the grid, the battery, the solar and the generator along with the 
transfer switch. It's gone from being the occasional nuisance in the 
winter to all year long these days. Our power outage over the holidays 
lasted 12 days. This isn't just a rural problem anymore in California, 
it's a pretty much everywhere problem now. 

Mike