Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?

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Mike Hammett wrote on 6/24/2022 1:22 PM:

> It's DirecTV that became part of AT&T, but now they're separated again.
>
> Dish Network is building a nation-wide terrestrial mobile network. 
> Supposed to be the new #4 provider.

Looks like their plans just hit a snag -
D.C. court confirms Dish cheated on 5G spectrum bidding, revokes $3.4 
billion in credits
https://www.phonearena.com/news/dish-bidding-5g-spectrum-credits-appeal_id140935

Court decision on the spectrum was decided 6/21:
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/21AC89289C589E4F85258868004F9B7F/$file/18-1209-1951147.pdf


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> *From: *"Owen DeLong via NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>
> *To: *"Michael Thomas" <mike () mtcc com>
> *Cc: *nanog () nanog org
> *Sent: *Friday, June 24, 2022 3:14:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?
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>     On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:12 , Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com
>     <mailto:mike () mtcc com>> wrote:
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>     On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
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>             On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com
>             <mailto:mike () mtcc com>> wrote:
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>             On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
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>                 The term "5G" among technical circles started vague,
>                 became better defined over the course of several
>                 years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance was
>                 never well understood in the public eye, nor by mass
>                 publications like CNN. This is a battle for 12GHz, not 5G.
>
>             But is what Starlink saying true or not?
>
>             It would be a pity to not have an alternative to incumbent
>             telephants.
>
>             Mike
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>         It’s not entirely clear, without knowing the technical details
>         of the Starlink modulation scheme whether or not they could
>         successfully share the 12Ghz spectrum.
>
>         I have no reason to disbelieve their claims.
>
>         Frankly, I really don’t think that Dish’s idea of providing 5G
>         mobile service from satellites is a particularly good or
>         beneficial one and granting them 12Ghz spectrum for this
>         purpose is probably not really in the public interest.
>
>     I thought they were land based? What I read is that being land
>     based means that they can transmit at much higher power.
>
>
> I wasn’t aware that Dish had terrestrial facilities. I had forgotten 
> their absorption into AT&T.
>
> So I retract my comments in that regard… They are a traditional 
> telephant and I think that terrestrial 5G on 12Ghz is even less useful.
>
>         OTOH, I think Starlink is most definitely an interesting
>         product that does provide a clear path to reasonable
>         alternatives to the incumbent telephants.
>
>     Especially when you factor in mobility when they get there. No
>     more roaming fees, all over the world.
>
>
> Yep… Probably one of the reasons DishT&T is trying to fight so hard to 
> cause them grief.
>
> Owen