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Re: FCC vs FAA Story


From: Carsten Bormann <cabo () tzi org>
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 22:40:11 +0200

On 2022-06-05, at 22:01, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net> wrote:

Still doesn't address whether or not C band radios break radio altimeters.

The discussion reminds me of the early 1990s, when mobile phones became pocketable.
There was some talk about how emissions from mobile phones that people take into cars could be bundled inside the car 
in unfortunate reflections and theoretically trigger airbag systems, hurt drivers and cause fatal accidents.

We know how that went.
(I got screamed at by taxi drivers more than once at the time while making phone calls in their cars.  Needless to say, 
I didn’t manage to kill any of them.)

Safety is about probabilities.  A theoretical possibility that occurs 0.01 times during the lifetime of the universe 
would be reasonably recognized as safe.  Of course, most people (including politicians) can’t compute (and don’t 
understand probabilities anyway), so we will see some technically unjustifiable compromises that will appease the 
uninformable public.

By the way, the largest probability for influencing radio altimeter operation is likely to come not from the ground 
installations but from passengers using C-band-capable (3.x GHz 5G, e.g., band n77) devices on board…  But addressing 
that would inconvenience the airlines, so it won’t be weaponized in the current attempt to squeeze 5G operators for 
money to replace crappy old altimeters that don’t work right with even a 220 MHz guard band.

Grüße, Carsten


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