Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

Yet the independents are doing it anyway. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> 
To: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <lists () packetflux com> 
Cc: "nanog list" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:46:01 PM 
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List 



It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980s suburb in the USA or Canada where 100% of the utilities are 
underground. There may be no fiber or duct routes. Just old coax used for DOCSIS3 owned/run by the local cable 
incumbent and copper POTS wiring belonging to the ILEC. The cost to retrofit such a neighborhood and reach every house 
with a fiber architecture can be quite high in construction and labor. 







On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 9:14 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < lists () packetflux com > wrote: 



The cost to build physical layer in much of the suburban and somewhat rural US is low enough anymore that lots of 
smaller, independent, ISPs are overbuilding the incumbent with fiber and taking a big chunk of their customer base 
because they are local and care. And making money while doing it. 




On Thu, Feb 2, 2023, 8:22 AM Masataka Ohta < mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp > wrote: 

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Mike Hammett wrote: 

> I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent 
> operators will succeed. ;-) 

Because of natural regional monopoly at physical layer (cabling 
cost for a certain region is same between competitors but their 
revenues are proportional to their regional market shares), they 
can't succeed unless the physical layer is regulated to be 
unbundled, which is hard with PON. 

But, in US where regional telephone network has been operated 
by, unlike Europe/Japan, a private company enjoying natural 
regional monopoly, economic situation today should be no worse 
than that at that time. 

Masataka Ohta 



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