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Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
From: Masataka Ohta <mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 00:55:04 +0900
Mike Hammett wrote:
In no way is what I said wrong. Incumbent operators (coax or copper pairs) screw things up constantly (whether technically or in the business side of things), prompting a sea of independent operatorsto overbuild them (or fill in where they haven't).
See below: : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incumbent_local_exchange_carrier : Various regional independents also held incumbent monopolies : in their respective regions. to know many independent operators are incumbent operators.
I don't mean non-RBOC ILECs. I mean WISPs, regional fiber operators,
I'm afraid "non-RBOC" is a synonym of "independent". Anyway, ILECs including both RBOCs and thousands of non-RBOC ones should be the regional fiber operators, as I already wrote: : Many ILECs enjoying regional monopoly should be 100+ years old: : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_telephone_company : By 1903 while the Bell system had 1,278,000 subscribers on : 1,514 main exchanges, the independents, excluding non-profit : rural cooperatives, claimed about 2 million subscribers on : 6,150 exchanges.[1] : The size ranged from small mom and pop companies run by a : husband and wife team, to large independent companies, : many of which should now be PON operators still enjoying regional : monopoly. > Bob from down the street that retired and built a fiber company to > serve his small town. I mean companies with less than 10,000 > customers and are younger than 20 years. There are literally > thousands of them in the US and they're only getting more formidable > in the face of lousy incumbents. See above: : The size ranged from small mom and pop companies run by a : husband and wife team Thousands of Bobs from down the street retired and built telephone companies, now recognized as non-RBOC ILECs, to serve their small towns 100+ years ago. Newly coming Bobs can survive as regional fiber operators only in regions not served by ILECs as PON providers. Masataka Ohta
Current thread:
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List, (continued)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 03)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 04)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Mike Hammett (Feb 08)
- Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List Masataka Ohta (Feb 08)
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