Re: CEH and Intense School

[Clement Dupuis <cdupuis () cccure org>]

In-Reply-To: <NLEKLILNCGGNONPGIPGHGEMPFOAA.pete () isecom org>

Good day James, Pete, Brian, Andrew, and all,

Pete is totally right,  the first OSSTMM based courses were run by Ideahamster and I would never have claimed or 
alluded in any, shape, or 
form anything to the contrary considering that I know the OSSTMM history well.  

> > Finally, the Intense School course teaches the OSSTMM methodology
> > - in fact
> > a large portion of class time is spent on this, and it provides the
> > structure for what is done.  They were doing an OSSTMM-based course before
> > there was an official one sanctioned by ISECOM, and they do a good job
> > covering it.

I can understand that some of the students get this impression simply because the first time they hear about the OSSTMM 
is when they come for our class.  This prove to me that the huge education process that Pete has started is indeed 
needed and it is nice to see the OSSTMM taking part in activities and conferences (RSA for example) on the North 
American side as well as the European side.

> I wrote the OSSTMM and I think you are very wrong about the ISECOM
> sanctioned courses.  

Please do not mix SANCTIONED and BASED ON,  as mentioned: our courseware methodology is largely based on the OSSTMM 
which I strongly believe is the only testing methodology that is thorough and complete out there.  I am often pressure 
to remove the methodology portion or to shrink it down to merely nothing, however I have resisted and will continue 
resisting because this is what makes the difference between simply a tool course and a course that shows you what you 
really need to know to do your job out in the field.  

> Our classes are based on OSSTMM 3.0 which has not been released yet to the
> public (public version is 2.1).  If any group has OSSTMM training materials
> above 2.1 and they are not listed on our web page then they are either
> stolen or fraudulent materials.  

I can personnally tell you that our courseware is NOT using any of the unrelease material and the version of the OSSTMM 
being distributed as a bound copy to the students is the public release of the OSSTMM.

Best regards

Clement

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