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Re: Internal Penetration Testing
From: "Adriel T. Desautels" <ad_lists () netragard com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:28:35 -0400
Stephen,You didn't "raise the ire of a bunch of folks whose mortgage payment depends on the perceived value of an internal penetration test." You simply said that you "question the validity of internal penetration testing" and I addressed that. You didn't answer the question that I posed in my email either. I asked you "Do you really think that an external penetration test can cover all the bases? The fact is that internal penetration testing can be all inclusive, external testing can't. So you must really see no value what so ever in external testing, or am I mistaken?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Stephen Mullins wrote:
Whoa there, I didn't mean to raise the ire of a bunch of folks whose mortgage payment depends on the perceived value of internal pen testing. Let's put the focus back on the original question:Can anybody recommend any good books, or ideally free online references to start learning the techniques of internal penetration testing? I.e. getting onto (access to) network shares, private network drives, internal servers, systems, from inside the Network that someone is not authorised to do? I wont ask for specific pointers just some good online guides so I can begin to identify the techniques that give rise to the "threat from within" etc.On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Adriel T. Desautels<ad_lists () netragard com> wrote:If you question the validity of internal penetration testing then you are either not doing it right or you don't understand the subject enough to realize its clear benefits. Internal penetration tests are a great way to test the internal technological controls of a company, and its resistance to things like Distributed Metastasis. Do you really think that an external penetration test can cover all the bases? If anything, an Internal is farmore valuable because it can include external scopes. On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Stephen Mullins wrote:I question the validity of "internal pen testing." After all, as an insider you should have access to all manner of information that an attacker would not. If you have the skills to perform a legitimate "black box" pen test then you should have no problem doing whatever you want as an inside "pen tester" even if you try to play by a predetermined set of rules wherein you pretend not to have insiderknowledge (good luck). I guess I don't understand the purpose. If itis to demonstrate that having someone with a moderate to high amount of skill "go rogue" inside your network is a "bad thing", that just seems redundant to me.The best use for "internal pen testing" in my opinion would be simplyto see if anyone noticed via your IDS/log management solution/etc. If nobody is watching then an internal pen test is doubly pointless. Steve MullinsOn Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:10 AM, pma111<pmaneedham () hotmail com> wrote:Can anybody recommend any good books, or ideally free online referencesto start learning the techniques of internal penetration testing? I.e. getting onto (access to) network shares, private network drives, internal servers,systems, from inside the Network that someone is not authorised to do? I wont ask for specific pointers just some good online guides so I canbeginto identify the techniques that give rise to the "threat from within"etc. Regards, -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Internal-Penetration-Testing-tp23980128p23980128.htmlSent from the Penetration Testing mailing list archive at Nabble.com.------------------------------------------------------------------------This list is sponsored by: Information Assurance Certification ReviewBoard Prove to peers and potential employers without a doubt that you canactually do a proper penetration test. IACRB CPT and CEPT certs require afull practical examination in order to become certified. http://www.iacertification.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This list is sponsored by: Information Assurance Certification ReviewBoard Prove to peers and potential employers without a doubt that you canactually do a proper penetration test. IACRB CPT and CEPT certs require afull practical examination in order to become certified. http://www.iacertification.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------Adriel T. Desautels ad_lists () netragard com -------------------------------------- Subscribe to our blog http://snosoft.blogspot.com
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Current thread:
- Internal Penetration Testing pma111 (Jun 12)
- Re: Internal Penetration Testing Stephen Mullins (Jun 15)
- RE: Internal Penetration Testing Dr David Scholefield (Jun 16)
- Re: Internal Penetration Testing Adriel T. Desautels (Jun 16)
- Re: Internal Penetration Testing Gichuki John (Jun 17)
- Re: Internal Penetration Testing Stephen Mullins (Jun 18)
- Re: Internal Penetration Testing Adriel T. Desautels (Jun 18)
- RE: Internal Penetration Testing Mark van der Meulen (Jun 19)
- Re: Internal Penetration Testing Stephen Mullins (Jun 15)
- RE: Internal Penetration Testing Gorgon Beast (Jun 15)
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- Re: Internal Penetration Testing christopher . riley (Jun 16)