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RE: Gigabit IDS report
From: "Paul D. Shaffer" <paulshaf () earthlink net>
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:09:14 -0700
Yeah, right. Please explain how the information is only used to determine page popularity. All you need is a hit counter for that. The real reason you want email addresses is so you can spam participants with marketing come-ons. Get real, stop kidding yourself. You're fooling nobody here. And as for breaks to email marketers - no sorry. Give it a few days or weeks, and you'll soon see whether or not they are low enough to sell addresses harvested from their spam support machine. Paul D. Shaffer, MSgt, USAF C4 Systems Manager Peterson AFB, CO -----Original Message----- From: snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net [mailto:snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net] On Behalf Of Bob Walder Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:39 AM To: 'Frank Knobbe'; 'twig les' Cc: snort-users () lists sourceforge net Subject: RE: [Snort-users] Gigabit IDS report I am sorry you all feel misled, but we are not charging money for "white papers". The equivalent of a "white paper" is indeed up on the site and available for free - in other words it is a high level view of the technology and the industry, followed by some detailed questionnaires covering each of the products we evaluated. That is what I would call a white paper. No - there are no detailed evaluations prepared by us No - there are no test results Yes - if you want our detailed, in-depth, 180 page report we do ask you to pay for a CD or hard copy version If you want a brief freebie, there are plenty of sites where you can get those, but I would think none of them will be as detailed as our full report. But if you DON'T want that level of detail, you don't have to pay for it. I would also point out that there are many other analyst and lab sites similar to ourselves who will provide even less information up front and then expect you to shell out hundreds - even thousands - of dollars for their reports - not $50 I will point out that we have made, and will continue to make, extensive group rest reports available for free - currently we have 100Mbps IDS, PKI, firewall, Vulnerability Assessment and DSL reports up there - all available in full and all free. Gigabit was a special case as far as we are concerned. It cost us an AWFUL lot in terms of time and money (both in infrastructure investment and testing time) to produce that report, and we feel that it is something of a leading-edge market segment which will appeal initially to large corporate buyers. Casual readers who are not serious about implementing the technology in live environments will certainly not want to pay for the report - and I would not expect them to. No one is forcing them to. I point out again that there is a significant amount of free information available on our site and all updates to those reports will continue to be free. In the future, there may be other high-end, leading edge technologies that we cover, and we may charge for those too. If the REAL point of this is that I should not have posted something to this mailing list that might involve a commercial transaction at some point then I apologise sincerely and will not repeat the mistake. Actually, to put this into context, of the many hundreds of downloads we had over the weekend these are the only negative comments I have seen. Regards, Bob Walder Director The NSS Group Ltd. PS We DON'T ask for a life history when you register - name, company and e-mail is enough. Most people are kind enough to provide valid information in response to these - the data is never used by us for any purpose other than to determine which are the most popular reports - the most popular ones are the ones we will repeat in the future. Invalid information is simply discarded and never counted. So, if everyone who registers to download IDS provides fake info, and everyone who registers to download DSL provides genuine info, IDS will not be repeated, DSL will. It's as simple as that. Luckily, most people do not mind registering.
-----Original Message----- From: snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net [mailto:snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net]On Behalf Of Frank Knobbe Sent: 01 December 2002 05:23 To: twig les Cc: snort-users () lists sourceforge net Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Gigabit IDS report On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 21:27, twig les wrote:Yeah, I went to the sight and left without it cause of that.I put some fake information in it. That gets to the the write up, or some of it at least. Looks like you have to *pay* them for more information (such as the IDS test results). Are we now charging money for white papers? My God, what has this industry come to... Frank
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- Re: Gigabit IDS report aaron g (Nov 30)
- Re: Gigabit IDS report twig les (Nov 30)
- Re: Gigabit IDS report Frank Knobbe (Nov 30)
- Re: Gigabit IDS report twig les (Nov 30)
- RE: Gigabit IDS report Bob Walder (Dec 01)
- Re: Gigabit IDS report [RANT WARNING] Michael Boman (Dec 01)
- RE: Gigabit IDS report Paul D. Shaffer (Dec 01)
- RE: Gigabit IDS report Frank Knobbe (Dec 01)
- RE: Gigabit IDS report aaron g (Dec 01)