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An Open Letter (and Challenge) to the Application Security Consortium


From: The OWASP Project <owasp () owasp org>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:34:08 -0500 (EST)

An Open Letter (and Challenge) to the Application Security Consortium

Since its inception in late 2000 the Open Web Application Security Project (OWASP) has provided free and open tools and 
documentation to educate people about the increasing threat of insecure web applications and web services. As a 
not-for-profit charitable foundation, one of our community responsibilities is to ensure that fair and balanced 
information is available to companies and consumers. Our work has become recommended reading by the Federal Trade 
Commission, VISA, the Defense Information Systems Agency and many other commercial and government entities. 

The newly unveiled Application Security Consortium recently announced a "Web Application Security Challenge" to other 
vendors at the Computer Security Institute (CSI) show in Washington, D.C. This group of security product vendors 
proposes to create a new minimum criteria and then rate their own products against it. 

The OWASP community is deeply concerned that this criteria will mislead consumers and result in a false sense of 
security. In the interest of fairness, we believe the Application Security Consortium should disclose what security 
issues their products do not address. 

As a group with a wide range of international members from leading financial services organizations, pharmaceutical 
companies, manufacturing companies, services providers, and technology vendors, we are constantly reminded about the 
diverse range of vulnerabilities that are present in web applications and web services. The very small selection of 
vulnerabilities you are proposing to become a testing criteria are far from representative of what our members see in 
the real world and therefore do not represent a fair or suitable test criteria. In fact, it seems quite a coincidence 
that the issues you have chosen seem to closely mirror the issues that your technology category is typically able to 
detect, while ignoring very common vulnerabilities that cause serious problems for companies. 

Robert Graham, Chief Scientist at Internet Security Systems, recently commented on application firewalls in an 
interview for CNET news. When asked the question "How important do you think application firewalls will become in the 
future?" his answer was "Not very." 


"Let me give you an example of something that happened with me. Not long ago, I ordered a plasma screen online, which 
was to be shipped by a local company in Atlanta. And the company gave me a six-digit shipping number. Accidentally, I 
typed in an incremental of my shipping number (on the online tracking Web site). Now, a six-digit number is a small 
number, so of course I got someone else's user account information. And the reason that happened was due to the way 
they've set up their user IDs, by incrementing from a six-digit number. So here's the irony: Their system may be so 
cryptographically secure that (the) chances of an encrypted shipping number being cracked is lower than a meteor 
hitting the earth and wiping out civilization. Still, I could get at the next ID easily. There is no application 
firewall that can solve this problem. With applications that people are running on the Web, no amount of additive 
things can cure fundamental problems that are already there in the first place."

This story echoes some of the fundamental beliefs and wisdom shared by the collective members of OWASP. Our experience 
shows that the problems we face with insecure software cannot be fixed with technology alone. Building secure software 
requires deep changes in our development culture, including people, processes, and technology. 

We challenge the members of the Application Security Consortium to accept a fair evaluation of their products. OWASP 
will work with its members (your customers) to create an open set of criteria that is representative of the web 
application and web services issues found in the real world. OWASP will then build a web application that contains each 
of these issues. The criteria and web application will be submitted to an independent testing company to evaluate your 
products. You can submit your products to be tested against the criteria (without having prior access to the code) on 
the basis that the results are able to be published freely and will unabridged. 

We believe that this kind of marketing stunt is irresponsible and severely distracts awareness from the real issues 
surrounding web application and web services security. Corporations need to understand that they must build better 
software and not seek an elusive silver bullet. 

We urge the Consortium not to go forward with their criteria, but to take OWASP up on our offer to produce a meaningful 
standard and test environment that are open and free for all. 

Contact: owasp () owasp org
Website: www.owasp.org



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