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RE: application for an employment
From: Murad Talukdar <talukdar_m () subway com>
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:17:39 +1000
When I was a wayward teenager, I once got very drunk during a KISS FM summer roadshow. The result of three hours of solid drinking in the sun was a very full bladder. Now, for some unknown reason I decided to tag onto a group of people that I had never met before and I actually managed to walk into their house un-noticed by them until we all got into the kitchen. There I was challenged by someone along the lines of, "Who the hell are you," (but with more, uhh, brio) at which point I replied that I needed to use their toilet. Needless to say they refused and politely, if a little roughly, ejected me forthwith. Now you could say that I was port scanning in the hope of finding somewhere to dump data that did not belong to the owners' of the house in question. Or something. Maybe I've got this whole analogy thing the wrong way round. Perhaps you could say that I was attempting a Man in the Piddle attack. I don't know. The port scanning issue is such a nebulous one-especially when applied across international boundaries. What does the law say where YOU are? What does the law say where you are about scanning OTHER countries? What does the law in another country say about you scanning their country from somewhere else. As someone has pointed out(and I'll defer to them on this point) the scanning is not illegal in Germany-with the usual conditions of course. Is it unethical? Hmmm. Should he tell the Uni? I don't think so. Not until he works out how they operate. Also, has Matthias posted with his real name? This whole thread would no doubt show up on a quick Google.....will they bother doing that? If the employers know anything about modern hiring resources then I'd expect the too.... Regards Murad Talukdar -----Original Message----- From: David Gillett [mailto:gillettdavid () fhda edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:18 AM To: 'Craddock, Larry'; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: application for an employment It's more like throwing a stone at a window to see if it's open. Sometimes the stone bounces off the closed window, sometimes it sails through the open window, and sometimes it *breaks* the window. "I only wanted to find out if the window was open or closed" is not generally considered an excuse to avoid responsibility for the broken pane.... David Gillett
-----Original Message----- From: Craddock, Larry [mailto:l_craddock () wfec com] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:59 AM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: application for an employment Seems to me port scanning is neither picking a lock or seeing a door hanging wide open but more like rattling a door to see if it is unlocked. I don't know about you, but if someone comes by my house and rattles the door to check whether or not it's locked I'm going to assume he has bad intentions whether he does or not and he'll need to be prepared for my response. -----Original Message----- From: L G [mailto:nitziya74 () hotmail com] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:23 PM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Re: application for an employment This is a good thread which begs further discussion. I guess the crudest part of my question is, was Mathias picking a lock, or did he see a door hanging wide open? And at what point is someone going through an open door versus looking in a window versus admiring someone's architecture from the street? lg -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- EARN A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN INFORMATION ASSURANCE - ONLINE The Norwich University program offers unparalleled Infosec management education and the case study affords you unmatched consulting experience. Tailor your education to your own professional goals with degree customizations including Emergency Management, Business Continuity Planning, Computer Emergency Response Teams, and Digital Investigations. http://www.msia.norwich.edu/secfocus -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------
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- Re: application for an employment, (continued)
- Re: application for an employment Hans Meier (John Doe) (Mar 31)
- RE: application for an employment Steveb (Mar 21)
- RE: application for an employment Al Gettier (Mar 21)
- Re: application for an employment L G (Mar 24)
- RE: application for an employment Lalit Gupta (Mar 22)
- RE: application for an employment Sadler, Connie (Mar 22)
- Re: FW: application for an employment Matthias Güntert (Mar 22)
- RE: application for an employment Craddock, Larry (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment Woods_Beau (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment David Gillett (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment Murad Talukdar (Mar 28)
- RE: application for an employment Soderland, Craig (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment Craig Wright (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment David Gillett (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment Craig Wright (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment Andrew Williams (Mar 27)
- RE: application for an employment Craig Wright (Mar 28)
- RE: application for an employment Craig Wright (Mar 28)
- RE: application for an employment Craig Wright (Mar 28)
- RE: application for an employment Craig Wright (Mar 28)
- Re: application for an employment Cesc (Mar 29)
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