RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras

["Mondragon, Todd" <todd.mondragon () fmr com>]

No BS, but you are correct about the antenna outside of the mesh foiling
the cage.
That is something that should easily be spotted by visual inspection.
Antenna inside the cage would be blocked as stated.

A spectrum analyzer would be useful but expensive for something this
simple.
Cage the room, visually inspect on a regular basis and he should be
fine.
This isn't a hardened installation he's talking about, it's dressing
rooms.

Todd Mondragon
KB1LMO (as in that's my call sign)
Sr Unix Administrator
Devonshire Investments


-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of S. Earl Jarosh
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:43 PM
To: 'Pranav Lal'; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras


BS,  if the transmitting part of the camera (antenna) is outside of the
mesh
the RF will still be transmitted to wherever. I can defeat situation
this in
a heartbeat. GHz is not the only frequencies (note the plural)  that
concealed cameras work on.

Ok so you need a RF broadband sniffer, much like a network sniffer only
for
RF.  Another reason Ya'll ought to be Ham Radio operators (in addition
to
network engineers) so you understand the fine points of RF (it is not
vodoo
but rather hard mathematical science).  You are breaking new ground here
as
I am not aware of an off the shelf network connected RF sniffing device.
Check Ramsey Electronics for security sniffing devices marketed as test
equipment devices.  You will need to find a programmer to interface the
device to the network grid for full time detection as these upskirt
characters are in great supply.  This will be an ongoing monitoring
venture.
Check the same places that sell the pinhole cameras as they tend to also
have the RF detection equipment.  You can build an RF shielded cage but
If I
was to defeat it I would drill the hole for the camera and put the
antenna
outside the cage.

I have given you all the information to resolve this so here is the
deal, I
know RF and I have a good programming guy if you can't engineer a
product in
a reasonable time to meet your customer's needs, contact me and I will
build
it for you.

S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ - (that would be a ham radio call sign)
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-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On
Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:56 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras

Could such a mesh be installed in an already constructed structure like
a
shopping maul? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mondragon, Todd [mailto:todd.mondragon () fmr com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:30 PM
To: Murda Mcloud; Pranav Lal; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras

No need to jam, a wire mesh placed in the walls and grounded will stop
most
RF devices cold.
The mesh should be of the same type as screen door mesh (must be wire
though!) to be able to stop any 2ghz signals. The mesh would also need
to be
electrically contiguous of course.

Might make it hard to drill as well, the mesh would foul any powered
bits
and a hand tool would have great difficulty dealing with it as well.

Todd Mondragon

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of Murda Mcloud
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:53 PM
To: 'Pranav Lal'; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras


One thing to do would be to build the room as clean and free from places
that cameras could be hidden etc. ie no benches etc. Make it so that any
tampering would be obvious.
Also, make the walls etc out of something that would be hard to drill a
pinhole in.

Then some of those detectors that you listed could be used-though I
can't
vouch for any of them.
Maybe there's a way of jamming signals too?

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On
Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:08 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras

Hi all,

I have been asked by a client to find a solution for detecting cameras
in
dressing rooms etc. The client has trial rooms where customers can try
various garments. The concern is that  some one could plant a camera in
one
of these rooms and photograph customers.

I have checked online and have found the following sources;
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/sf-103.html
http://www.spytechs.com/bug_sweep_equip/vcd_43.htm
http://www.pimall.com/nais/countervideo.html
http://www.intpro.co.uk/pinhole.htm
http://www.intpro.co.uk/camera%20detector.htm
Are there any others? Has any one on this list tried any such solutions?
I
have found an interesting reference on hiding and detecting cameras at
http://www.tentacle.franken.de/papers/hiddencams.pdf

Pranav