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RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras
From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:05:55 +0530
Good morning Earl, Many thanks for your explanations and tip. However, my client is only interested in risk mitigation so, it is unlikely that they will go for any technologically sophisticated solution. Pranav -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of S. Earl Jarosh Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:13 PM To: 'Pranav Lal'; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras BS, if the transmitting part of the camera (antenna) is outside of the mesh the RF will still be transmitted to wherever. I can defeat situation this in a heartbeat. GHz is not the only frequencies (note the plural) that concealed cameras work on. Ok so you need a RF broadband sniffer, much like a network sniffer only for RF. Another reason Ya'll ought to be Ham Radio operators (in addition to network engineers) so you understand the fine points of RF (it is not vodoo but rather hard mathematical science). You are breaking new ground here as I am not aware of an off the shelf network connected RF sniffing device. Check Ramsey Electronics for security sniffing devices marketed as test equipment devices. You will need to find a programmer to interface the device to the network grid for full time detection as these upskirt characters are in great supply. This will be an ongoing monitoring venture. Check the same places that sell the pinhole cameras as they tend to also have the RF detection equipment. You can build an RF shielded cage but If I was to defeat it I would drill the hole for the camera and put the antenna outside the cage. I have given you all the information to resolve this so here is the deal, I know RF and I have a good programming guy if you can't engineer a product in a reasonable time to meet your customer's needs, contact me and I will build it for you. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ - (that would be a ham radio call sign) V.P. of Information Technology Cell: 612.868.1313 Off: 763.545.3275 Fax: 763.546.0027 Money Centers of America, Inc. - I.T. Dept 5955 Golden Valley Rd., Suite 206 Golden Valley, MN 55422 6128681313 () cingularme com earl () moneycenters com www.moneycenters.com "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those of us who are doing it." -- Anonymous -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:56 PM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Could such a mesh be installed in an already constructed structure like a shopping maul? -----Original Message----- From: Mondragon, Todd [mailto:todd.mondragon () fmr com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:30 PM To: Murda Mcloud; Pranav Lal; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras No need to jam, a wire mesh placed in the walls and grounded will stop most RF devices cold. The mesh should be of the same type as screen door mesh (must be wire though!) to be able to stop any 2ghz signals. The mesh would also need to be electrically contiguous of course. Might make it hard to drill as well, the mesh would foul any powered bits and a hand tool would have great difficulty dealing with it as well. Todd Mondragon -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Murda Mcloud Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:53 PM To: 'Pranav Lal'; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras One thing to do would be to build the room as clean and free from places that cameras could be hidden etc. ie no benches etc. Make it so that any tampering would be obvious. Also, make the walls etc out of something that would be hard to drill a pinhole in. Then some of those detectors that you listed could be used-though I can't vouch for any of them. Maybe there's a way of jamming signals too? -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:08 PM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Hi all, I have been asked by a client to find a solution for detecting cameras in dressing rooms etc. The client has trial rooms where customers can try various garments. The concern is that some one could plant a camera in one of these rooms and photograph customers. I have checked online and have found the following sources; http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/sf-103.html http://www.spytechs.com/bug_sweep_equip/vcd_43.htm http://www.pimall.com/nais/countervideo.html http://www.intpro.co.uk/pinhole.htm http://www.intpro.co.uk/camera%20detector.htm Are there any others? Has any one on this list tried any such solutions? I have found an interesting reference on hiding and detecting cameras at http://www.tentacle.franken.de/papers/hiddencams.pdf Pranav
Current thread:
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras, (continued)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Rosario Chella (R) (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Mondragon, Todd (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Murda Mcloud (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Liam Downward (Mar 13)
- Re: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Yan Zhai (Mar 13)
- Re: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Buz Dale (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Steve Armstrong (Mar 14)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Murda Mcloud (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Pranav Lal (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Steven Hess (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras S. Earl Jarosh (Mar 14)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Pranav Lal (Mar 15)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Steven Adair (Mar 13)
- RE: Seeking a solution for detecting hidden cameras Pranav Lal (Mar 14)