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RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
From: eddie <eddie () lucifuge freeserve co uk>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:20:07 +0100 (BST)
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ben Tyson-Norrman wrote:
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:11:07 +0100 From: Ben Tyson-Norrman <ben () twowaytv co uk> To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm As I started this one - can I put a stop to it... What was it I read the other day, if you call someone a Nazi then officially that's the end of the thread... Okay I'm going to call me, ben () twowaytv co uk, erstwhile postee in html, user of Windows 2000 (and BSD and Linux and Solaris, before you start), sending email via Exchange which attaches a crappy disclaimer - a complete and utter Nazi....
Ahhh, you refer to Godwins Law, (Godwin's Rule) Any off-topic mention of Hitler or Nazis will bring the thread it is mentioned in to an irrelevant and off-topic end very soon; every thread on UseNet has a constantly-increasing probability to contain such a mention. However, Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual. (net.legends faq) And so this worthless thread continues... Eddie
Yes I've done it - I've called someone a Nazi.... so now we have to start a new thread and post at least 3 bits of useful information before we can revert to abuse, slander, mis-reading of posts, mis-understanding of posts, not trying to hear what the person is saying in voice- rather than just reading the words and generally taking our stress out on everyone else (who for the most parts should be our allies).. What I've learnt is.... ZA is okay for homeusers - there are no desperately obvious holes. There are other alternatives - I use one of the others at home (not that you care) - but the person who asked the question of me (who is fairly technical), is probably doing the best he can. The negative comments I have seen, viz :- (snip from some or other list) <<zone alarm (which contrary to popular belief is not a real firewall and a joke in the IT community as a whole)>> is empty posturing as usual, but then the same goes for everything else (there are a lot of "experts" out there...) May your evenings (days, morning or nights - depending on your timezone) be blessed with happyness... Personally I'm going home to get a beer or two.... -----Original Message----- From: JT [mailto:ptourvi1 () twcny rr com] Sent: 05 June 2003 16:13 To: 'Shawn McMahon'; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm This is a lame basis for your argument. You provide 2 vulnerabilities that are old. Everything has vulnerabilities, I will not waste my time search ZA for one, it's in there, it's a proven statistic. Now, explain to me how having one of your uninformed users make a decision for every app that wants to access the internet is better than plugging a router in and being done for the most part. Which is easier? Right, the router is easier because they just plug it in and go. You would have us believe that these "inept" users WITHOUT ANY computer person are going to be smart enough to FIND zone alarm, INSTALL it, CONFIGURE it, and then decide each time anything wants to hit the net. Please, spend 30 more seconds and show me some CURRENT vulnerabilities. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Shawn McMahon Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:23 AM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:35:05PM -0700, morning_wood said:Theres nowhere for the packets to go.. and please, when wasthe last timeanyone here had to flash a personal style router / switch within the past 2 years... dont go esoteric on us now..Perhaps you should read security bulletins more often. http://www.idefense.com/advisory/10.31.02a.txt http://www.opennet.ru/base/netsoft/993631863_204.txt.html That's just two. Should I spend another 30 seconds searching and get you some more? Or are you going to argue that Linksys and Netgear are "esoteric"?
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- Re: Re[2]: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm, (continued)
- Re: Re[2]: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm lee . x . james (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Shawn McMahon (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm John Ruppert (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Stephan Steenkamp (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Schmehl, Paul L (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm John Ruppert (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Robert J. Liebsch (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Ben Tyson-Norrman (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm eddie (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm John Ruppert (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Robert J. Liebsch (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm tstowell (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Schmehl, Paul L (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm tstowell (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Schmehl, Paul L (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm yossarian (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Brad Bemis (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm David Vincent (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm eddie (Jun 05)
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