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RE: Bill Gates blames the victim


From: Lim Swee Tat <st_lim () stlim net>
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:39:24 +0800

On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 00:02, Robert Ahnemann wrote:
"Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com> writes (quotes):
   ;;    Q. "The buffer overrun flaw that made the Blaster worm 
   ;;    possible was specifically targeted in your code reviews 
   ;;    last year. Do you understand why the flaw that led to 
   ;;    Blaster escaped your detection?"
   ;; 
   ;;    A. "Understand there have actually been fixes for all of 
   ;;    these things before the attack took place. The challenge 
   ;;    is that we've got to get the fixes to be automatically 
   ;;    applied without our customers having to make a special
effort."

"Don't trust our software. But do trust our patching/update 
process..."

Don't trust software but trust our software patches...

We can continue the sentence by adding that the special effort is 
needed because new bugs are generated by these patches.

Let's relate this to real life (flame that line if you want).  Your car
has a defect that causes the oil pan to leak.  Ford (I drive one, I can
talk) issues a recall saying they know about the leak and are offering
you a free fix, if you would just take the time to take the car to the
shop.  You decide that you know better and that you would rather not
invest the time.  You engine is lying on the ground three weeks later.
Whose fault is it?  They told you it was a problem.  You neglected to
address it.  I can tell you who will be paying for the engine.   Today's
society is about dissolving accountability.  I'm all for changing this
around.
I think you miss the point, and this is more the typical scenario than
anything else.  Microsoft issues patches that are highly unreliable,
even till today.

If we do a comparison to Ford, as per your scenario, Ford issues a
recall, but Ford also has a reputation for fixing something and breaking
something else, you'll let someone else take the fix, and wait in the
bylines to see if the fix broke something for him/her.

In fact, the unreliability of M$'s patches has become so widespread that
typical IT shops manage their software with at least a 3 month
testing/trial period even for software that is not demographically as
bad or even as unreliable as M$'s.

Again, the message is M$ should fix their software.  Trying to automate
the patch cycle without the permission of the user is and still does not
solve the initial problem.

Ciao
ST Lim

(forgot to send to the list poo)

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