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Re: Bill Gates blames the victim
From: Petr Swedock <petr () blade-runner mit edu>
Date: 03 Sep 2003 16:00:24 -0400
"Robert Ahnemann" <rahnemann () affinity-mortgage com> writes: ;; >> "Don't trust our software. But do trust our patching/update ;; >> process..." ;; > ;; >Don't trust software but trust our software patches... ;; > ;; >We can continue the sentence by adding that the special effort is ;; >needed because new bugs are generated by these patches. ;; ;; Let's relate this to real life (flame that line if you want). Your car ;; has a defect that causes the oil pan to leak. Ford (I drive one, I can ;; talk) issues a recall saying they know about the leak and are offering ;; you a free fix, if you would just take the time to take the car to the ;; shop. You decide that you know better and that you would rather not ;; invest the time. You engine is lying on the ground three weeks later. ;; Whose fault is it? They told you it was a problem. You neglected to ;; address it. I can tell you who will be paying for the engine. Today's ;; society is about dissolving accountability. I'm all for changing this ;; around. Please don't lecture any-one here about accountability. I'm guessing we're all on the "front lines" of response and accountability in computer use, else we wouldn't be here... Your analogy is facile. The issue isn't one of timely fixes. It's an issue of the repeated need to fix even in the face of assurances to the contrary. In addition it's the singular nature of the fix. If your car leaks you have the option to take it to the dealer or say "send me the part, I'll fix it." You also have the option to replace the engine. For instance, MS03-034 was just released. It purports to 'fix' a problem with NetBIOS. The patch forced me to update and required a reboot. It never once asked if I wanted to disable NetBIOS and simply not use it... Peace, Petr _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Current thread:
- Re: Bill Gates blames the victim Petr Swedock (Sep 03)
- Re: Bill Gates blames the victim Alexandre Dulaunoy (Sep 03)
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- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Robert Ahnemann (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim C. David Wilde (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Lim Swee Tat (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Brent J. Nordquist (Sep 03)
- Re: Bill Gates blames the victim Petr Swedock (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Robert Ahnemann (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Lim Swee Tat (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Robert Ahnemann (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Lim Swee Tat (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Richard M. Smith (Sep 03)
- RE: Bill Gates blames the victim Nick FitzGerald (Sep 03)
- Re: Bill Gates blames the victim Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 05)
- Re: Bill Gates blames the victim Nick FitzGerald (Sep 05)