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RE: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers
From: Dave Dittrich <dittrich () u washington edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:57:33 -0800 (PST)
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Aditya Deshmukh wrote:
Interesting profile on Blue Security over on Red Herring:How do they make money out of DDOS'ing the spammers ? Interesting concept, but what is their business model? The article does not make this clear....
There is no business model, unless you can call retaliation a business model. They are simply trying to find a simple way to ruin the business model of the spammers. My guess is they are making the same mistakes as Lycos in their "Make Love Not Spam" campaign of not understanding the business of spamming, not understanding the effectiveness/limitations of their own "solution", not understanding the spammer's tactics and capabilities, and not understanding the ethical/legal issues of taking action outside the legal process. I hate spam as much as anyone, but most of these efforts are just wrong. I gave a "lightning talk" at CanSecWest this year analysing Lycos' attempt: http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich/talks/core05-arc-ethics.ppt The most telling point to me in the article is the description of the founder as a "serial entrepreneur." That's a nice way of saying, "someone who has failed multiple times at creating a viable business." -- Dave Dittrich Information Assurance Researcher, dittrich () u washington edu The iSchool http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich University of Washington PGP key http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich/pgpkey.txt Fingerprint FE97 0C57 0843 F3EB 49A1 0CD0 8E0C D0BE C838 CCB5 _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Fergie (Oct 29)
- Re: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Nick FitzGerald (Oct 29)
- Re: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Dude VanWinkle (Oct 29)
- Re: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Florian Weimer (Oct 30)
- RE: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Aditya Deshmukh (Oct 30)
- RE: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Dave Dittrich (Nov 01)
- RE: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Nick FitzGerald (Nov 01)
- RE: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Dave Dittrich (Nov 01)
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- RE: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Hank Nussbacher (Oct 30)
- Re: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 30)
- RE: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Hank Nussbacher (Oct 30)
- Re: Red Herring Profile: Blue Security Spams Spammers Nick FitzGerald (Oct 29)