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Re: U.S. Plans Massive Data Sweep
From: Dude VanWinkle <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:30:08 -0500
On 2/11/06, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah <rMslade () shaw ca> wrote:
From: Dude VanWinkle <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=20323
There is an excellent book by David Brin, "The Transparent Society," that deals with exactly this sort of issue. Basically, he takes Larry Ellison's "You have no privacy. Get over it" quote and kind of looks at it sideways: OK, we have no privacy--how can we make this work for us? His basic thesis is that if we have no privacy, do you want only the police/government to be able to spy on you, or do you want to know about them, too? His optimum position is "reciprocal transparency": if you want to know about me, then you have to make yourself accessible to me, as well.
Excellent book report! Not sure if I understand it tho. Let me play devils advocate for a sec: On some/future/date, Paul Schmehl <pauls () utdallas edu> could write: So you want to give the Terrorists the -plans to the white house security system, and let Them know when and where the president is going to be at all times as well as disclose the positions of our nukes to the Commies? /devils_advocate So is the book saying that total transparency is the way to go,.. or just that the information collected by one group needs to also include themselves in the roster that should then be made publicly available? I should probably just buy the book, but this is more fun ;-) -JP _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: U.S. Plans Massive Data Sweep Dude VanWinkle (Feb 12)
- Re: U.S. Plans Massive Data Sweep Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Feb 12)
- Re: U.S. Plans Massive Data Sweep Paul Schmehl (Feb 12)
- Re: U.S. Plans Massive Data Sweep Dude VanWinkle (Feb 12)
- Re: U.S. Plans Massive Data Sweep Dude VanWinkle (Feb 12)
- Re: U.S. Plans Massive Data Sweep Paul Schmehl (Feb 10)