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Re: Webroot Uncovers Thousands of Stolen Identities


From: Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:08:47 +0100 (BST)

On Tue, 9 May 2006 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:

On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:37:44 -0000, Fergie said:
Personally, I think we *are* seeing it. Deluges of it.

Every day, week, month, etc, ad nasueum.

Do a back-of-envelope.  600 *million* computers.  Call it half a billion
with spyware.

We're seeing hundreds and thousands of hits per day.  100,000 is all of
0.02% of half a billion.

Even if they took 1% for a ride, that would be 5 million cases of fraud.

One of 3 possibilities:

1) That 87% is waaaay over the top, and 8% is more reasonable.  I don't
buy this for a moment.

2) The spyware community is either inept, or even 1% is enough to make them
all rich enough to not work harder, or the bottleneck is elsewhere - cashout
or similar issues.

3) The spyware community is very cognizant of *exactly* how much fraud
the credit card companies will tolerate, and are good at flying under the
wire....

Take your pick, or suggest a #4.
 
4. I'd guess that I'm getting a few hundred spam hits per day. If 
that's average, and assuming 200/day, then we're seeing 50 billion hits 
per day, not 100,000.

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