Re: Re: [privacy] ACLU Sues Pentagon for Monitoring

["Dude VanWinkle" <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>]

On 6/15/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Brian Loe wrote:
>
> > > Right - so if there's different groups of Quakers with different sets of
> > > beliefs, how do you know there isn't a Fundamentalist sect of Quakers that
> > > embraces violence instead of rejecting it? Consider, for example,
> > > Christianity, which is a religion of love and peace, with a commandment
> > > "Thou shalt not kill", but which nevertheless has had groups of people who
> > > called themselves Christians who seem to think that this commandment
> > > doesn't apply.
> >
> >
> > Man, you love to hate.
>
> No, I love to point out that just because someone claims that they are
> non-violent, doesn't make it true.
>
> > I think the original commandment was "Thou shalt not murder".
>
> Actually, the original commandment wasn't in English, and different people
> translate it differently. But when the Pope launched the Algibensian
> Crusade against the Christian folks in the South of France (for example),
> it was murder.
>
> > The Christians your talking about were European... :>/
>
> Yes, of course they were, but both Europeans and non-Europeans are
> capable of claiming that they are non-violent, and then explaining
> "except when ...". Also, some people who call themselves Muslims
> or Jews are quite capable of killing. My point is that a non-violent
> religion, can spin off subgroups that are anything but non-violent. Just
> because someone says "we're Somethings and therefore non-violent" doesn't
> make it true.


We should ask the Pentagon what they think. We might be able to deduce
their opinion due to the fact they have since stopped the domestic
spying (according to the original article that is).

Either way, the government should not be allowed to root out those of
its citizens that want to overthrow it. The original idea here was
that governments  are a yoke that need to be tossed occasionally
(Ref.: American Revolution). If you allow your government to root out
or spy on all those who dislike it, then your chances for reform are
nill.

Its one thing if a governing body asks to sit in on a meeting, this
implies a willingness to listen. Its another thing entirely to look at
your population as "potential terrorists and enemies"

If all you are saying is people change, then I agree Dr Solly.


-JP
<who changes at least once a week>
                    ^
                his boxers
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